United Begins To Sell Off Assets
#11
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No. This analogy is not good at all and causes more fear and panic among the rank and file.
The brand new planes are not like lemons at all. As a matter of fact, United will be flying these “lemons” and getting “juice” from them within a few months - not throwing them away as your analogy implies :/
The brand new planes are not like lemons at all. As a matter of fact, United will be flying these “lemons” and getting “juice” from them within a few months - not throwing them away as your analogy implies :/
#13
The plane is an outdated dinosaur and should’ve been replaced a decade ago, but it’s not a lemon.
Historically the airline and manufacturer would have conspired to throw the crew under the bus, but again that wouldn’t have been politically correct this time. If it had been US crews, they would’ve already called it pilot error, case closed, and the plane never would’ve been grounded.
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I think the max is far from a lemon. Two incompetent crews (I know it’s currently xenophobic to suggest third world flight crews aren’t trained well, but it is what it is) failed to fly the airplane during a system abnormality (something simple like reduce to a flyable thrust setting) and the fleet is grounded and the plane subject to more scrutiny than any other in history. You’re naturally gonna find some bugs with that kind of inspection, and yes it should’ve been caught sooner.
The plane is an outdated dinosaur and should’ve been replaced a decade ago, but it’s not a lemon.
Historically the airline and manufacturer would have conspired to throw the crew under the bus, but again that wouldn’t have been politically correct this time. If it had been US crews, they would’ve already called it pilot error, case closed, and the plane never would’ve been grounded.
The plane is an outdated dinosaur and should’ve been replaced a decade ago, but it’s not a lemon.
Historically the airline and manufacturer would have conspired to throw the crew under the bus, but again that wouldn’t have been politically correct this time. If it had been US crews, they would’ve already called it pilot error, case closed, and the plane never would’ve been grounded.
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I think the max is far from a lemon. Two incompetent crews (I know it’s currently xenophobic to suggest third world flight crews aren’t trained well, but it is what it is) failed to fly the airplane during a system abnormality (something simple like reduce to a flyable thrust setting) and the fleet is grounded and the plane subject to more scrutiny than any other in history. You’re naturally gonna find some bugs with that kind of inspection, and yes it should’ve been caught sooner.
The plane is an outdated dinosaur and should’ve been replaced a decade ago, but it’s not a lemon.
Historically the airline and manufacturer would have conspired to throw the crew under the bus, but again that wouldn’t have been politically correct this time. If it had been US crews, they would’ve already called it pilot error, case closed, and the plane never would’ve been grounded.
The plane is an outdated dinosaur and should’ve been replaced a decade ago, but it’s not a lemon.
Historically the airline and manufacturer would have conspired to throw the crew under the bus, but again that wouldn’t have been politically correct this time. If it had been US crews, they would’ve already called it pilot error, case closed, and the plane never would’ve been grounded.
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Delta started doing this too a few weeks ago. To me it seems like a way to generate a bit of liquidity, but also makes a bankruptcy smoother because they can just cancel the leases via bankruptcy. Also less assets on the balance sheet for the bankruptcy judges to plunder.
#20
We've seen this movie before but it was directed by fellows named Ichan, Lorenzo and Wolfe among others. It is a short term fix at best. The names above did it to mine the value out of the airlines before using bankruptcy to rid themselves of the assets that they had leveraged. I believe todays executives are trying to maximize cash on hand but as mentioned above bankruptcy might very well be the end result. The managers will be long gone and the employees will once again be left holding the bag like Ray's Music Exchange in the Blues Brothers.
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