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Old 04-16-2020, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
I get that.....that’s not hard to understand. Iv alread said the OCt 1 displacement we’ll be large I could see 1000 going out the door.

but now let’s look beyond that. Let’s look at the next round that cuts into Captains and WB FOs that can go anywhere. And now let’s look at my REQUAL numbers.....that’s where I say 100 a month becomes a stretch to furlough.

that’s where our disagreement lies....not about the initial furlough number
If they announce the retirement of the 756, most people displaced from the WB fleets can only go to the 320 or the 737. Most of those being displaced off of the 756 will only be able to bump down due to reduced WB staffing, and lack of seniority. That alone eliminates a bunch of training bumps and lowers the cost.
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Old 04-16-2020, 11:48 AM
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Ok I see where the disconnect might be. Remember, we use the junior pilot in category to determine where displaced folks can go to. If they displace to a certain number on the first wave, the second wave could possibly only offer very two choices, 737 and Bus FO.....some of which are already there.
min sure the ability exists to figure out the exact seniority number to make ONLY 737 and A320 FO slots available. But that would seem to be incredibly inefficient and might only work for the first couple displacement bids.
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Old 04-16-2020, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
the only problem is that right now there is a massive amount of Landings classes being run right now do to the lack of flying. So unles the company chooses to let pilots go non current for landings there isn’t any sim slots.

for example May on the 787 has every single session booked for the entire month with CQ and Landings. There are 3-4 Qual course that need 3-5 sims to finish and a half dozen diff courses as well that need a few more sims to finish. Also it appears atleast for May and June one 4 hour slot a day in every single sim will be blocked for disinfecting.

bottom line is we will need to rob Peter to pay Paul if displacement training needs to start. Before Oct 1

In all fairness not every fleet is as heavily scheduled as the 787 but there certainly isn’t any sims sitting Idle either. Also keep in mind that a lot of 737 instructors fall in the furlough range......that certainly won’t help with training loads either.
do we really need to keep people on a SRL current? I’m sure that they could just give us a warmup and a MV in a few months. I’d rather do that than have to go to Denver every 90 days for 30 minutes in the seat.
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Old 04-16-2020, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
min sure the ability exists to figure out the exact seniority number to make ONLY 737 and A320 FO slots available. But that would seem to be incredibly inefficient and might only work for the first couple displacement bids.
No displacement bid is efficient. But what we're about to see will be more efficient than any other I've seen since I've been here, unfortunately.
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Originally Posted by Itsajob
If they announce the retirement of the 756, most people displaced from the WB fleets can only go to the 320 or the 737. Most of those being displaced off of the 756 will only be able to bump down due to reduced WB staffing, and lack of seniority. That alone eliminates a bunch of training bumps and lowers the cost.

agreed and that is a huge variable. However look at EWR IAD IAH ORD FO seats there are 500 FOs that could easily hold CA if they wanted to. Also look at the CA seat a lot of 756 CAs can hold WB CA very easily. If I can get some time today I’ll get some numbers.
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Old 04-16-2020, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Itsajob
do we really need to keep people on a SRL current? I’m sure that they could just give us a warmup and a MV in a few months. I’d rather do that than have to go to Denver every 90 days for 30 minutes in the seat.
you need to follow AQP. It’s either an LDRQ or a RQ1 if you miss a CQ by greater than 3 months. Before you say just get a waiver.....there isn’t any curriculum built. The only thing that could help is getting a 12 month CQ waiver and landings extended to 120 days waiver.

the SRLs are not being kept current. If you bid an SRL you are expected to away from work for its entirety.
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Old 04-16-2020, 11:58 AM
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So when do you think that the bumps will begin?
july........
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
agreed and that is a huge variable. However look at EWR IAD IAH ORD FO seats there are 500 FOs that could easily hold CA if they wanted to. Also look at the CA seat a lot of 756 CAs can hold WB CA very easily. If I can get some time today I’ll get some numbers.
If they volunteered for a displacement they'd do it at the junior pilots seniority. Not their own. Get it?
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
agreed and that is a huge variable. However look at EWR IAD IAH ORD FO seats there are 500 FOs that could easily hold CA if they wanted to. Also look at the CA seat a lot of 756 CAs can hold WB CA very easily. If I can get some time today I’ll get some numbers.
It’s always expensive and messy. The difference now is that we have expanded so fast that junior people are all over the place and displacements will eliminate overstaffed seats on all fleets. It’s still ugly, just not as much as during years past. Keeping thousands of us on the payroll with nothing to do isn’t exactly cheap either.
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
agreed and that is a huge variable. However look at EWR IAD IAH ORD FO seats there are 500 FOs that could easily hold CA if they wanted to. Also look at the CA seat a lot of 756 CAs can hold WB CA very easily. If I can get some time today I’ll get some numbers.
........IOW, those 500 FO's you mentioned are pretty much stuck where they are at.
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