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04-17-2020, 09:18 AM
#111
Orbis Non Sufficit
Joined APC: Oct 2015
Posts: 735
A lot of this comes down to how nimble and competitive Kirby wants to be. One argument would be slice and dice down to the minimum required, maybe 5000 as nopac says. They could make that work. But IF there are glimmers of increased demand for spring/summer ‘21 (which could come at far shorter notice than the typical advance bookings) is he going to want to get caught flat-footed without being able to flex up quickly? You will ALWAYS find SWA waiting in the wings with the staff and aircraft to grab market share, especially considering they are going to want to keep what could be their first-ever pilot furlough to an absolute minimum. Almost a decade later we are still fighting to hold/regain what we lost to them in Denver during the Smisek era.
04-17-2020, 09:35 AM
#112
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2010
Posts: 695
A lot of this comes down to how nimble and competitive Kirby wants to be. One argument would be slice and dice down to the minimum required, maybe 5000 as nopac says. They could make that work. But IF there are glimmers of increased demand for spring/summer ‘21 (which could come at far shorter notice than the typical advance bookings) is he going to want to get caught flat-footed without being able to flex up quickly? You will ALWAYS find SWA waiting in the wings with the staff and aircraft to grab market share, especially considering they are going to want to keep what could be their first-ever pilot furlough to an absolute minimum. Almost a decade later we are still fighting to hold/regain what we lost to them in Denver during the Smisek era.
04-17-2020, 10:56 AM
#113
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: 787
Posts: 3,202
320 - 26 and that includes full time evaluators that can only teach LDRQ/LOE
737 - 7 including full time evaluators
756 - 11 including full time evaluators
777 - 28 including full time evaluators
787 - 10 including full time evaluators
so 82 instructors total in the entire building. Not to mention the loss of nearly every single pilot position in management (FTMs) and SME roles.
but don’t worry training need not be considered.
04-17-2020, 11:05 AM
#114
Banned
Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 1,358
instructors left
320 - 26 and that includes full time evaluators that can only teach LDRQ/LOE
737 - 7 including full time evaluators
756 - 11 including full time evaluators
777 - 28 including full time evaluators
787 - 10 including full time evaluators
so 82 instructors total in the entire building. Not to mention the loss of nearly every single pilot position in management (FTMs) and SME roles.
but don’t worry training need not be considered.
320 - 26 and that includes full time evaluators that can only teach LDRQ/LOE
737 - 7 including full time evaluators
756 - 11 including full time evaluators
777 - 28 including full time evaluators
787 - 10 including full time evaluators
so 82 instructors total in the entire building. Not to mention the loss of nearly every single pilot position in management (FTMs) and SME roles.
but don’t worry training need not be considered.
04-17-2020, 11:22 AM
#115
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: 787
Posts: 3,202
so yeah it’s a peice of cake......
if they are not current on the aircraft they need a full Qual course, full IOE, then must consolidate then they do everything listed above. Were talkin almost a year before they can conduct validations and teach LOFTS.
04-17-2020, 11:41 AM
#116
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 243
A lot of this comes down to how nimble and competitive Kirby wants to be. One argument would be slice and dice down to the minimum required, maybe 5000 as nopac says. They could make that work. But IF there are glimmers of increased demand for spring/summer ‘21 (which could come at far shorter notice than the typical advance bookings) is he going to want to get caught flat-footed without being able to flex up quickly? You will ALWAYS find SWA waiting in the wings with the staff and aircraft to grab market share, especially considering they are going to want to keep what could be their first-ever pilot furlough to an absolute minimum. Almost a decade later we are still fighting to hold/regain what we lost to them in Denver during the Smisek era.
04-17-2020, 12:38 PM
#117
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2015
Posts: 491
who’s going to want to do the job? All those people can already do it if they want and they aren’t doing it. PIs work an awful lot more days than line pilots, and driving to and from TK each and every day is fine if you live within 10 miles. Otherwise it can be a long back and forth commute. Is someone going to commute to TK for a pay cut, or move their families? Probably not.
04-17-2020, 12:50 PM
#118
Orbis Non Sufficit
Joined APC: Oct 2015
Posts: 735
instructors left
320 - 26 and that includes full time evaluators that can only teach LDRQ/LOE
737 - 7 including full time evaluators
756 - 11 including full time evaluators
777 - 28 including full time evaluators
787 - 10 including full time evaluators
so 82 instructors total in the entire building. Not to mention the loss of nearly every single pilot position in management (FTMs) and SME roles.
but don’t worry training need not be considered.
320 - 26 and that includes full time evaluators that can only teach LDRQ/LOE
737 - 7 including full time evaluators
756 - 11 including full time evaluators
777 - 28 including full time evaluators
787 - 10 including full time evaluators
so 82 instructors total in the entire building. Not to mention the loss of nearly every single pilot position in management (FTMs) and SME roles.
but don’t worry training need not be considered.
04-17-2020, 01:07 PM
#119
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: 787
Posts: 3,202
Also keep in mind that our seniority numbers are a year out of date.
320 - 14
737- 98 almost 3/4s
756- 33 About half
777- 23
787- 25 a little less than half
the 737 would be decimated if they cut 5000 on oct 1st.
04-17-2020, 02:18 PM
#120
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: Narrow/Left Wide/Right
Posts: 3,655
no the numbers for 8000 active are much better and probably manageable. The numbers below would be how many PIs get furloughed.
Also keep in mind that our seniority numbers are a year out of date.
320 - 14
737- 98 almost 3/4s
756- 33 About half
777- 23
787- 25 a little less than half
the 737 would be decimated if they cut 5000 on oct 1st.
Also keep in mind that our seniority numbers are a year out of date.
320 - 14
737- 98 almost 3/4s
756- 33 About half
777- 23
787- 25 a little less than half
the 737 would be decimated if they cut 5000 on oct 1st.
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