Furlough pay?
04-05-2020, 06:01 PM
#41
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You are correct. UAL could furlough "X" number of pilots all at once on October 1. (Everybody has their own wag on the value of "X".)
But to furlough above that "X" number will require downward displacements and training. That means anything above "X" will be a process.
As mentioned above by Andy, UAL could start the displacement process tomorrow so pilots can be trained and that would increase the size of "X" by October 1.
But there are practical limits on how quickly "X" can be raised which also results in a practical upper limit of "X".
But to furlough above that "X" number will require downward displacements and training. That means anything above "X" will be a process.
As mentioned above by Andy, UAL could start the displacement process tomorrow so pilots can be trained and that would increase the size of "X" by October 1.
But there are practical limits on how quickly "X" can be raised which also results in a practical upper limit of "X".
Sure, they could furlough X number of pilots tomorrow. They can furlough X + Y pilots on 1 Oct, where Y is approximately the number of WB FOs they're able to train in NB/756 seats over the summer.
By the way, if you don't want to go to training this summer, bid a 4 month ESRL line.
04-05-2020, 06:02 PM
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An someone please explain why there need to be displacements bids before they furlough? Given the staffing it seems they could furlough 500 without any impact to anything. That would drop some super junior 756/777/787 FOs as well as a decent chunk of of 737320 FOs. A nice peanut butter approach.
It seems to be easy to rebalance NB flying between 737/320 as necessary to deal with the new staffing.
that is 500 people at 0 hours. Maybe even more. That is equivalent to 1000 regular SRL.
It seems to be easy to rebalance NB flying between 737/320 as necessary to deal with the new staffing.
that is 500 people at 0 hours. Maybe even more. That is equivalent to 1000 regular SRL.
To add to the rebalancing, just shift more NB flying to Den and Iah...it’s where the senior NB FOs already are.
04-05-2020, 06:52 PM
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Alright you guys are like making me live my worst nightmare. Never liked algebra and solving for x or y and now, with this analogy I AM the variable and have to solve for how many of me x are F’d oh $h!t did I just make a function and integrate. arrrrrrgh!!!! I hate you all!!!
You stated much clearer what I was trying to write.
Sure, they could furlough X number of pilots tomorrow. They can furlough X + Y pilots on 1 Oct, where Y is approximately the number of WB FOs they're able to train in NB/756 seats over the summer.
By the way, if you don't want to go to training this summer, bid a 4 month ESRL line.
Sure, they could furlough X number of pilots tomorrow. They can furlough X + Y pilots on 1 Oct, where Y is approximately the number of WB FOs they're able to train in NB/756 seats over the summer.
By the way, if you don't want to go to training this summer, bid a 4 month ESRL line.
04-05-2020, 07:52 PM
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Easily! There are probably close to 200 WB FO’s that have been on property less than 5 years. Hell, there were guys recently not even out of new hire training getting slots on the 777.
04-05-2020, 08:04 PM
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My WAG is that we will need to be 60-65% the size we are now to survive come Oct 1. 35-40% of us will be jobless with the trap door opening Oct 1. Announcements of furloughs no later than July 1. Only way to reduce that 35-40% is to get a ton of old guys out the door with some sort of offer. But either way the foreseeable future is dark. I hope I’m way off.
04-05-2020, 08:40 PM
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The junior 737 CA is 11101, junior 320 CA is 11659. Junior 787 FO is 12884. The junior 777 FO is 13032. Only 4 777 FO’s junior to 12884. There are 72 777 and 787 FO’s Junior to 11659. There are 132 787 and 777 FO’s and 320 CA’s junior to 11101. First displacements may be targeted around these numbers.
04-05-2020, 08:46 PM
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My WAG is that we will need to be 60-65% the size we are now to survive come Oct 1. 35-40% of us will be jobless with the trap door opening Oct 1. Announcements of furloughs no later than July 1. Only way to reduce that 35-40% is to get a ton of old guys out the door with some sort of offer. But either way the foreseeable future is dark. I hope I’m way off.
04-05-2020, 09:12 PM
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My WAG is that we will need to be 60-65% the size we are now to survive come Oct 1. 35-40% of us will be jobless with the trap door opening Oct 1. Announcements of furloughs no later than July 1. Only way to reduce that 35-40% is to get a ton of old guys out the door with some sort of offer. But either way the foreseeable future is dark. I hope I’m way off.
04-06-2020, 09:16 AM
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I didn’t say they’d do it all in one pop the morning of Oct 1. I’m saying my guess is we will only need to be 60-65% the size we are now and starting Oct 1 the trap door opens and they start the reduction. However long it takes. An airline would always rather be understaffed than over staffed. Anyway, This is just my GUESS. I’m throwing darts. Don’t get too absolute about it.
04-06-2020, 09:29 AM
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I didn’t say they’d do it all in one pop the morning of Oct 1. I’m saying my guess is we will only need to be 60-65% the size we are now and starting Oct 1 the trap door opens and they start the reduction. However long it takes. An airline would always rather be understaffed than over staffed. Anyway, This is just my GUESS. I’m throwing darts. Don’t get too absolute about it.
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