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04-16-2020, 04:18 PM

#91

Sniper66

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Originally Posted by Huell

Over on the DAL thread you predicted 25% for UAL... Pulling numbers out of that dark orfice at will.

lots of changes since then
reduce pay leaves etc
18 is more like it as of now and again things change daily

cheers from the dark office at will

04-17-2020, 09:33 PM

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TheSoCalGuy

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Not a "Doom & Gloom", but a read with stark factors/number's in today's industry as it pertains......Some strings attached.

https://crankyflier.com/2020/04/16/d...ustry-delayed/

04-18-2020, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSoCalGuy

Not a "Doom & Gloom", but a read with stark factors/number's in today's industry as it pertains......Some strings attached.

https://crankyflier.com/2020/04/16/d...ustry-delayed/

The “Doom and Gloom” is that there is an unstated presupposition that demand does not return at a meaningful level. That’s the kicker, no one knows......My glass is half full and demand starts to recover during the summer months......time will tell. What doe they say? “No plan survives first contact with the enemy”. Have a robust plan and prepare to re-plan.

my 2 cents

04-18-2020, 11:28 AM

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JoePatroni

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Originally Posted by bigfatdaddy

What do they say? “No plan survives first contact with the enemy”. Have a robust plan and prepare to re-plan.

my 2 cents

I think it's:

"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face."
-Mike Tyson

04-18-2020, 12:18 PM

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DashTrash

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Originally Posted by JoePatroni

I think it's:

"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face."
-Mike Tyson

Just ask Michael Spinks...

04-23-2020, 05:20 AM

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fadec

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18% sounds awfully close to the the date where they'd have to pull seats out of RJs. If demand stays down that won't be a problem.

04-23-2020, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by fadec

18% sounds awfully close to the the date where they'd have to pull seats out of RJs. If demand stays down that won't be a problem.

Here is an interesting thing to think about regarding pulling seats. Currently, we are blocking all middle seats from being sold (other than family together). Effectively, we have already pulled about 45 seats from every mainline narrowbody. I'm not sure if they have done anything similar with Express but if they follow the same methodology then they are going to stop selling almost half on the E-175 seats. Instead of four across, they will now be two across (similar to FC in an A320 or 737). So, is this good or bad for us?

Good: The E-175 is now a terribly inefficient 38 seat airplane. Get rid of it (for now)

Bad: Pulling six seats from every 76 seater is completely irrelevant in this market. If anything, it will make the E175 more efficient because it's lighter.

04-23-2020, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CALFO

They are doing this now because they can’t sell the seats and the planes are empty. It’s getting credit for “doing something” without any additional cost. The second that demand returns they will be selling those seats unless passengers can prove that they are willing to pay significantly more to fly with an empty seat next to them. A theoretical plane with 25 rows of 6 seats each would hold 150 pax. If they can only sell 80 tickets due to low demand, they can “block off” the middle seats since they didn’t sell. When demand returns, they could either fill the 150 seats with $500 tickets, or block the middle seats and sell the remaining 100 seats for $750. Guess which option the public will pick.

04-23-2020, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Itsajob

The second that demand returns they will be selling those seats unless passengers can prove that they are willing to pay significantly more to fly with an empty seat next to them.

If demand returns then what are we talking about?

04-23-2020, 04:14 PM

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this will be a good example of what flights will look like when people get tired of staying home...

https://nypost.com/2020/04/23/airlin...wearing-masks/