Forget Pay Cuts, CK out APA
03-16-2020, 12:46 PM
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Forget Pay Cuts, CK out APA
American pilots have negotiated a pretty decent deal, no pay cuts..
To summarize:
Pilots pay protected for COVID-19 quarantines for duration. Includes self-quarantines for sick family member. Sick bank restored for COVID-19 diagnosis.
1. Voluntary unpaid Leave of Absense, retain all benefits and accrue Length of Service, up to 12 months.
2. Voluntary Short-Term LoA, paid 55 credited hours, 1/3/6 months long, retain all benefits, 401k/profit sharing eligible, required to maintain currency but that’s it.
3. Voluntary Permanent LoA, age 62+ paid 50 hours until age 65, retain all benefits and 401k, etc as above, remaining sick deposited into HSA.
Looks like a helluva job by APA and AA.
To summarize:
Pilots pay protected for COVID-19 quarantines for duration. Includes self-quarantines for sick family member. Sick bank restored for COVID-19 diagnosis.
1. Voluntary unpaid Leave of Absense, retain all benefits and accrue Length of Service, up to 12 months.
2. Voluntary Short-Term LoA, paid 55 credited hours, 1/3/6 months long, retain all benefits, 401k/profit sharing eligible, required to maintain currency but that’s it.
3. Voluntary Permanent LoA, age 62+ paid 50 hours until age 65, retain all benefits and 401k, etc as above, remaining sick deposited into HSA.
Looks like a helluva job by APA and AA.
03-16-2020, 12:49 PM
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That seems like a pretty good deal if it helps stop the cash being burned day to day. In fact, for those that have 15-20 years left, it would be a really good deal to take a little pay cut for a short time and have a couple thousand guys off the seniority list at the upper end.
03-16-2020, 02:33 PM
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I’d jump on option 2 in a heartbeat. I’ve got a hookup on a job that pays a lot less than what I make now, but if that were supplemented by 55 hours of wide body FO pay, I’d be bringing home more than I do now.
It’d go senior.
It’d go senior.
03-16-2020, 03:15 PM
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All of the airlines that negotiated coronavirus letters traded the re-bid of April bids for benefits such as sick leave and extended reduced lines.
We just gave the re-bid of April away. And while we got a MOU later, it's not as good. Wonder why?
We just gave the re-bid of April away. And while we got a MOU later, it's not as good. Wonder why?
03-18-2020, 04:39 PM
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I would jump on option one with military orders, as it wouldnt count against USERRA sanctuary time and would get me closer to a full retirement. Option 2 aside from just being immoral I’m pretty sure wouldn’t be legal under the same circumstances.
03-18-2020, 06:57 PM
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I dont see why it would be immoral to take #2 for mil leave. I also dont think it would be immoral if someone took that leave and worked their second job as a *fill in the blank*. why would working in the military be any different? ( honest question from a civilian) I can see the benefit to not counting against ussera times but would you honestly want to be away from the airlines for 5 years straight if u did not have to be? cheers
03-18-2020, 07:43 PM
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American pilots have negotiated a pretty decent deal, no pay cuts..
To summarize:
Pilots pay protected for COVID-19 quarantines for duration. Includes self-quarantines for sick family member. Sick bank restored for COVID-19 diagnosis.
1. Voluntary unpaid Leave of Absense, retain all benefits and accrue Length of Service, up to 12 months.
2. Voluntary Short-Term LoA, paid 55 credited hours, 1/3/6 months long, retain all benefits, 401k/profit sharing eligible, required to maintain currency but that’s it.
3. Voluntary Permanent LoA, age 62+ paid 50 hours until age 65, retain all benefits and 401k, etc as above, remaining sick deposited into HSA.
Looks like a helluva job by APA and AA.
To summarize:
Pilots pay protected for COVID-19 quarantines for duration. Includes self-quarantines for sick family member. Sick bank restored for COVID-19 diagnosis.
1. Voluntary unpaid Leave of Absense, retain all benefits and accrue Length of Service, up to 12 months.
2. Voluntary Short-Term LoA, paid 55 credited hours, 1/3/6 months long, retain all benefits, 401k/profit sharing eligible, required to maintain currency but that’s it.
3. Voluntary Permanent LoA, age 62+ paid 50 hours until age 65, retain all benefits and 401k, etc as above, remaining sick deposited into HSA.
Looks like a helluva job by APA and AA.
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