Andy

I take it you've never been displaced. The way it works is that if a senior pilot takes a displement, he bids based on the senior person who is displaced's number. If 2 senior pilots take the displacement, they take the 2 most senior numbers of those being displaced. A senior guy takes the seniority of the guy he's saving from displacement. Please reference the conract; it explains it better than me.
The whole process could take several displacements but they could definitely minimize training events, forcing junior WB FOs directly to NB FO.

Let's hope the world economy doesn't slip into a deep recession and this is only an exercise in what ifs.

nopac6

You’re hilarious puppet man. Whenever anyone presents any info that conflicts with your perpetual wet dream of non stop upgrades you just about have a stroke. Try and relax dude. It’s just conversation.

I thought we’d been hiring about 1000 per year. My point still stands and that is, rather than newer people listening to dreamers like yourself who refuse to accept reality, they should be acting like pilots and preparing for the worst case scenario. Feel free to keep your head deeply embedded in the sand though if you like.

nopac6

We have 2386 f/o’s on the 777 and 787. We have 38 763’s and 16 764’s which should equate to about 600 more f/o’s in augmented flying. That’s close to 3000 wide body f/o’s. Do you even work for United?

nopac6

I was referring to the 7th but those numbers aren’t available any more. Here are the number of AVAILABLE sets for the next 2 nights.

8th
sfo syd 22 11 179
iah syd 21 96
lax syd 24 145

9th
sfo syd 35 16 204
iah syd 11 130
lax syd 28 155

sfo tlv for the next 2 nights
23 7 105
24 17 166


Get on the United app and just start checking loads for any international city pair you can think of for the next several days. It’s absolutely dismal. How anybody can have their head buried so deep in the sand that they can’t see the dire situation the industry is in right now is a mystery to me.

Airhoss

If there is one thing Marines are really good at, it’s talking about stuff they have no idea about. And doing it with confidence.

MasterOfPuppets

im just quoting your own words.....which lacked the fact that you claim you are posting.

you are correct I didn’t add I. The 756 pilots because they don’t pay WB pay and it’s hardly unprecedented that the 756 pilots are junior. So you said the bottom 2000 could not hold CA anywhere and that’s just wrong.

You can go panic elsewhere I’m not buying it. Just last night saw an interview from a 60 year old woman who was on the princess diamond in Japan. She had a fever of 100 and was diagnosed with Corona. She was quarantined off the ship and never got another symptom. She is a healthy person who is active she is back home and now she feels great.

as more stories like this get out this will end and we will be back to my wet dream of perpetual upgrades. Then you can go back and start looking for the next end of the world that’ll crush our careers.

baseball

why argue about what if's?

No one really knows what's gonna happen and when it will or won't happen.

Furloughs not very likely. Company can only really plan 3 months out. Thus far the virus isn't a world-wide crisis and so it is being managed in a way that reflects simply a dip in load-factors. The company response thus far seems adequate and not over-reactive in my opinion. I think we'll know more about what things look like mid-may.

DashTrash

I remember that during the Dark Decade, Richard Anderson said that for a pilot furlough to make financial sense, the furlough would have to be at least 24 months. Furloughing pilots is VERY expensive to the Company. I’m not saying that a furlough is impossible, but it’s still way down the road. Before any furlough, they’ll start displacement bids, presumably off of wide body equipment to narrow body equipment. That has not even been discussed yet.

Everyone should read the latest MEC Update about the cost to the Company for a furlough. This Coronavirus is a very temporary thing. It will almost certainly be taken care of within the next 24 months.

Itsajob

We have a winner. The problem is that some seem to think that any change to their assumed seniority progression is a sign that the apocalypse is at hand. The public reaction to this is real, but people will come to their senses long before the 2 year mark.

tommy2times

There will be furloughs! This epidemic will get way worst before it gets better.