Surplus lines for April at United
03-02-2020, 03:25 PM
#32
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03-02-2020, 05:55 PM
#33
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You can volunteer for a 50 hr line, but why would anyone do that?
If you don't want to work, bid a reserve line, get paid 73 hrs, and still do nothing. With all the low time lines, all the line holders will be picking up anything and everything to try to avoid a pay cut.
For that matter, I'm sure the crew desk will continue to build short calls just because they can, and you get paid more on reserve.....if you live in domicile, reserve just became the best thing at UAL.
If you don't want to work, bid a reserve line, get paid 73 hrs, and still do nothing. With all the low time lines, all the line holders will be picking up anything and everything to try to avoid a pay cut.
For that matter, I'm sure the crew desk will continue to build short calls just because they can, and you get paid more on reserve.....if you live in domicile, reserve just became the best thing at UAL.
I did them when they paid 60. It was a pretty sweet gig! Not too thrilled that all of a sudden they're only worth 50. Where did that come from? Sounds concessionary during times of plenty. Hell, the co was in far worse shape back when they paid more.
WRT to bidding reserve instead, given the idiotic numbers of SCs they dole out, I'd rather just take the vaca and put this place in the rearview for the month. Loads to HI are down.
03-02-2020, 06:22 PM
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03-02-2020, 07:33 PM
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20-Q-8 Surplus Reduction Lines at Lesser Guarantee
20-Q-8-a The Company reserves the right to determine the number of Surplus Reduction Lines, if any, within any Category. The Company shall post available Surplus Reduction Lines, and pilots shall then bid on these assignments. Any Surplus Reduction Lines that go unfilled shall be cancelled.
20-Q-8-b All Pilots in a Category where Surplus Reduction Lines are offered are eligible to preference such lines, except those with scheduled vacation, transition training, required training consolidation (transitional, initial or extended monitoring), other leaves of absence, or any sick leave included in Monthly Schedule Preferencing. A Pilot in his base or grace month who is awarded a Surplus Reduction Line and who was awarded recurrent training in the recurrent training bidding process shall be obligated to take his recurrent training and shall be credited with pay in accordance with Section 3-E-1-b, in addition to the fifty (50) hours described in Section 20-Q-8-c.
20-Q-8-c A Pilot shall receive pay at his applicable hourly rate in effect on the date that he receives a Surplus Reduction Line. Such Pilot shall receive fifty (50) hours of pay for each Bid Period he participates in the program, and shall receive all accruals and benefits for each such Bid Period. Such Pilot shall have no flying or availability obligations in any Bid Period in which he participates in the program, except a Pilot who is on reserve the first day of the following Bid Period is still obligated to acknowledge an assignment as required in Section 20-K-7-e.
20-Q-8-d A Pilot awarded a Surplus Reduction Line shall not be eligible to use sick leave during that Bid Period.
20-Q-8-e A Pilot with a Trip that carries inbound time into the surplus reduction Bid Period shall fly the Trip that contains the inbound flight(s) and he shall be paid for the inbound portion of the Trip in addition to the fifty (50) hours of pay described in Section 20-Q-8-c. A Pilot on reserve shall be unavailable for any inbound Trip into any Bid Period in which he participates in this program, unless he is the Only Reserve Available, in which case he may be given an assignment that operates into the first four (4) days of the Surplus Reduction Line Bid Period for a Global Trip, and one (1) day of the Surplus Reduction Line Bid Period for a Basic Trip.
20-Q-8-f During any Bid Period in which Surplus Reduction Lines are offered in a particular Category, no more than fifteen percent (15%) of the Lineholders in that Category can have their awards during Monthly Schedule Preferencing “forced.” A Lineholder’s award is considered “forced” if:
20-Q-8-a The Company reserves the right to determine the number of Surplus Reduction Lines, if any, within any Category. The Company shall post available Surplus Reduction Lines, and pilots shall then bid on these assignments. Any Surplus Reduction Lines that go unfilled shall be cancelled.
20-Q-8-b All Pilots in a Category where Surplus Reduction Lines are offered are eligible to preference such lines, except those with scheduled vacation, transition training, required training consolidation (transitional, initial or extended monitoring), other leaves of absence, or any sick leave included in Monthly Schedule Preferencing. A Pilot in his base or grace month who is awarded a Surplus Reduction Line and who was awarded recurrent training in the recurrent training bidding process shall be obligated to take his recurrent training and shall be credited with pay in accordance with Section 3-E-1-b, in addition to the fifty (50) hours described in Section 20-Q-8-c.
20-Q-8-c A Pilot shall receive pay at his applicable hourly rate in effect on the date that he receives a Surplus Reduction Line. Such Pilot shall receive fifty (50) hours of pay for each Bid Period he participates in the program, and shall receive all accruals and benefits for each such Bid Period. Such Pilot shall have no flying or availability obligations in any Bid Period in which he participates in the program, except a Pilot who is on reserve the first day of the following Bid Period is still obligated to acknowledge an assignment as required in Section 20-K-7-e.
20-Q-8-d A Pilot awarded a Surplus Reduction Line shall not be eligible to use sick leave during that Bid Period.
20-Q-8-e A Pilot with a Trip that carries inbound time into the surplus reduction Bid Period shall fly the Trip that contains the inbound flight(s) and he shall be paid for the inbound portion of the Trip in addition to the fifty (50) hours of pay described in Section 20-Q-8-c. A Pilot on reserve shall be unavailable for any inbound Trip into any Bid Period in which he participates in this program, unless he is the Only Reserve Available, in which case he may be given an assignment that operates into the first four (4) days of the Surplus Reduction Line Bid Period for a Global Trip, and one (1) day of the Surplus Reduction Line Bid Period for a Basic Trip.
20-Q-8-f During any Bid Period in which Surplus Reduction Lines are offered in a particular Category, no more than fifteen percent (15%) of the Lineholders in that Category can have their awards during Monthly Schedule Preferencing “forced.” A Lineholder’s award is considered “forced” if:
20-Q-8-f-(1) The award is built to minimum days off, or is built within thirty (30) minutes of the upper end of the line construction range that is in use for that Category and Bid Period, and;
20-Q-8-f-(2) Removing any single Trip would improve the score of his Monthly Schedule Preferencing award.
20-Q-8-f-(2) Removing any single Trip would improve the score of his Monthly Schedule Preferencing award.
03-02-2020, 08:04 PM
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03-03-2020, 04:35 AM
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It will be interesting to see what the LCF/LPA/LCC values are and where the G-lines move for April in PBS system docs. If the LCF is 73 straight down the column for both WB and NB I think this may tell us more about the state of the company’s near term projections than any theories we’ve seen posted here lately. Those with more experience and knowledge may be able to decipher values between min and max line values. I think it’s expected to see WB lines to remain bottomed out for a while, but when the min value lines hit across all NB and bases, that would seem to indicate its really time to be more concerned about what’s plan B, if...
03-04-2020, 06:47 PM
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Just kidding. Nobody would be that stupid.
