20 more E-175s with SKywest???
02-25-2020, 09:38 AM
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So you have 10 more years of the wurst passenger plane ever built .
Maint delays and cx will only get worse as these old tired things near their end .
United is in love with the rj and they would bring on 150 more if they could .
This passion they have for the rj will eventually catch up to them and bite them in the rear.
I hate to say it but the mgmt at United isn’t forward thinking at all .
So you have 10 more years of the wurst passenger plane ever built .
Maint delays and cx will only get worse as these old tired things near their end .
United is in love with the rj and they would bring on 150 more if they could .
This passion they have for the rj will eventually catch up to them and bite them in the rear.
I hate to say it but the mgmt at United isn’t forward thinking at all .
02-25-2020, 09:40 AM
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Its been proven, a 10 year (or any other “longer” duration) deal doesn’t me squat. Will be renegotiated/terminated before than anyway. Plus the devils in the details regarding the terms/conditions of deal. Usually a very one way street, in favor of the customer, THE LEGACY.
Agreed.
Yet during the bankruptcies, and after, it was a fact ours (and other legacy management) was 100% perfectly content with.
I said/posted it elsewhere, Gordon’s premise has yet to STILL see fruition.
145 is simply less crappy to ride in than a -200. Depending on operator, not as frequently weight restricted, etc.
Sadly, the mechanisms in place that kept the COEX/XJT 145 operating so well fell by the wayside over a decade ago under Jeffrey.
Yet during the bankruptcies, and after, it was a fact ours (and other legacy management) was 100% perfectly content with.
I said/posted it elsewhere, Gordon’s premise has yet to STILL see fruition.
145 is simply less crappy to ride in than a -200. Depending on operator, not as frequently weight restricted, etc.
Sadly, the mechanisms in place that kept the COEX/XJT 145 operating so well fell by the wayside over a decade ago under Jeffrey.
02-25-2020, 12:05 PM
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While I agree with the sentiment of his statement....I fail to see why people revere the guy. Everyone in the IAH area talks about him like he was their best friend.....while he exploited them.
02-25-2020, 12:10 PM
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He had a ready made advantage when he took over and was smart enough to hire Brenneman to be the brains to make sure he didn’t **** away his advantage.
02-25-2020, 01:07 PM
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But I'm not revering him, AT ALL.
He lined his pockets, like every other CEO. The one thing he DID understand was if the grunts on the front line are not happy, your business will be ***t, something almost NO CEO will ever acknowledge by anything more than lip service.
He had a ready made advantage when he took over and was smart enough to hire Brenneman to be the brains to make sure he didn’t **** away his advantage.
He had a ready made advantage when he took over and was smart enough to hire Brenneman to be the brains to make sure he didn’t **** away his advantage.
Much like a politician can play to people and have themselves revered, yet exploit them at the same time, etc.
02-25-2020, 04:12 PM
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Its been proven, a 10 year (or any other “longer” duration) deal doesn’t me squat. Will be renegotiated/terminated before than anyway. Plus the devils in the details regarding the terms/conditions of deal. Usually a very one way street, in favor of the customer, THE LEGACY.
Agreed.
Yet during the bankruptcies, and after, it was a fact ours (and other legacy management) was 100% perfectly content with.
I said/posted it elsewhere, Gordon’s premise has yet to STILL see fruition.
145 is simply less crappy to ride in than a -200. Depending on operator, not as frequently weight restricted, etc.
Sadly, the mechanisms in place that kept the COEX/XJT 145 operating so well fell by the wayside over a decade ago under Jeffrey.
Agreed.
Yet during the bankruptcies, and after, it was a fact ours (and other legacy management) was 100% perfectly content with.
I said/posted it elsewhere, Gordon’s premise has yet to STILL see fruition.
145 is simply less crappy to ride in than a -200. Depending on operator, not as frequently weight restricted, etc.
Sadly, the mechanisms in place that kept the COEX/XJT 145 operating so well fell by the wayside over a decade ago under Jeffrey.
Gordon said "check mate." when merger announced. But, too many other factors have occurred to have his vision come through. More and more consolidation.
02-25-2020, 04:14 PM
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Gordon's main premise was "achieve a labor cost advantage." Fact: Gordon never made money unless his pilots worked for 30% less than competitors. Gordon ran a sweat shop.
Gordon said "check mate." when merger announced. But, too many other factors have occurred to have his vision come through. More and more consolidation.
Gordon said "check mate." when merger announced. But, too many other factors have occurred to have his vision come through. More and more consolidation.
As mentioned, not revering the guy. Just saying, he knew how to
play the cards.
Do you disagree with the pizza analogy?
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