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Old 02-24-2020, 01:34 PM
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Commuting to reserve in any capacity is not recommended under our current contract - particularly on a global fleet (757, 767, 777, 787). It will be many years until you can hold a line as many are waiting until they can hold a line or 60% or higher until they take a bid. Reserve and living in base is an entirely different story.
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Old 02-24-2020, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ROCKETM8
'noon everybody,

Had a question about QOL as FO on a WB based in SFO. About how long would it take a new hire to get WB FO at SFO? And also how many days off/working per month could you expect? This would be a two leg commute for me. Are most of the trips out and back or back to back from base? Only East Asia or Europe flying too? Any info on the position is humbly appreciated!
Where do you live? I've done 2 leg commutes for short periods of time. No Bueno.
Move to make it a 1 leg commute or come up with a different plan.
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Old 02-24-2020, 02:39 PM
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Thanks to everyone who has put an answer in - good, bad and ugly!
As to a couple questions asked:

1). Am not at United currently
2). Commuting from AK and Boise

Sorry, I'm new to the United thread. What are SCs (schedule changes?) and APUs? I have WB time and interested in the long term, next 25 years-ish. How many days ON is a line-holding WB FO at say SFO?
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Old 02-24-2020, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by worstpilotever
1-2 years to hold the triple. 5-6 years to hold a crappy domestic line with 10 hour 2 day trips.

don’t do it.
That was the case when things were booming. I’m starting to think the days are over of 3 year upgrades and new hires on the WB’s. I’m not saying the sky is falling but realistically things aren’t looking real nice at the moment where majority of our SFO WB’s deploy to.
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Old 02-24-2020, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ROCKETM8
Thanks to everyone who has put an answer in - good, bad and ugly!
As to a couple questions asked:

1). Am not at United currently
2). Commuting from AK and Boise

Sorry, I'm new to the United thread. What are SCs (schedule changes?) and APUs? I have WB time and interested in the long term, next 25 years-ish. How many days ON is a line-holding WB FO at say SFO?
SC = Short Call, APU = Aggressive Pick Up. The reserve pro’s can fill you in on all those juicy details. SC’s for commuters are awful and really take away any satisfaction you might have with your job when you could be holding a line.
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Old 02-24-2020, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by JimLaheyTPS
That was the case when things were booming. I’m starting to think the days are over of 3 year upgrades and new hires on the WB’s. I’m not saying the sky is falling but realistically things aren’t looking real nice at the moment where majority of our SFO WB’s deploy to.
Nothing a little central bank quantitative easing can't fix. Expect it if things start going south for the economy.
I saw similar predictions after the dr dao incident. He wasn't even a speed bump. (insert joke here)

BOI is one leg on an RJ. ANC has to go through SEA..
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Old 02-25-2020, 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by webecheck
Correct, the layover can count, however most WB reserves who don't try to APU generally sit around doing SCs or the rare domestic equipment sub or ferry. Your example is a very rare occurrence and like I said never once had my days off rolled. I purposefully bid 3 x 6 day blocks though as a protection against that. That will give me an hdo on 1 which will force them to call someone else for the assignment, and for the other 2 blocks we're talking like a 1% chance of rolling if the stars align. I talk to people all the time who haven't bid up because they won't sit reserve out of fear of days off rolled. It's so overblown and they've been given bad info from people who don't quite understand the details.

It would be nice if we had something similar to delta in that you can have 1x15 day block for example. I'm a fan of long blocks of time off instead of the 3/3/6.
So basically you bid your whole schedule around preventing getting a Tuesday-Wednesday off in middle of month rolled? Must be nice. Most of us have things going on in our lives requiring specific HDO and if necessary RDO placement. That goes out the window fast if you are only bidding 6 day blocks. I guess that’s just bad info though.
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Old 02-25-2020, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by JurgenKlopp
So basically you bid your whole schedule around preventing getting a Tuesday-Wednesday off in middle of month rolled? Must be nice. Most of us have things going on in our lives requiring specific HDO and if necessary RDO placement. That goes out the window fast if you are only bidding 6 day blocks. I guess that’s just bad info though.
You do realize you can award hdo on specific days and set max works blocks to 3 in the same bid group right?

​​​​​​If one's personal schedule is so important to them, then they maintain their seniority on smaller equipment or stay right seat vs left. The guys that bid up and then complain they don't get Xmas and all the other days off they want are ridiculous.
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Old 02-25-2020, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy
Nothing a little central bank quantitative easing can't fix. Expect it if things start going south for the economy.
I saw similar predictions after the dr dao incident. He wasn't even a speed bump. (insert joke here)

BOI is one leg on an RJ. ANC has to go through SEA..
Dr Dao predictions? I’m sorry, that isn’t even in the same ballpark as this Andy. Dao was a PR nightmare for us, but he didn’t result in massive flight suspensions to Asia, empty wide bodies to the rest of Asia, additional COLA’s, 50 hour stay at home lines for WB FO’s and yearly guidance plan being pulled all while the global markets plummet. Central bank to the rescue I guess!
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Old 02-25-2020, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by webecheck
Not sure why this isn't more understood, but it's easy to not get your days off rolled. In fact I've never had it done. Bid 6 day work blocks and don't pick up a SC on day 1.
Would you mind elaborating on this a bit? I've heard this before but don't understand what you're getting at.

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