Kenny

Nothing snarky or arrogant. You made a blanket, generalized statement based on what? I simply asked you to qualify that statement. Based on my limited 20 year experience of flying for airlines in various parts of the world, I’ve found that no one can claim to have to the safest or best trained pilots. I’ve flown with cr@p pilots everywhere including the US. I’ve flown with outstanding pilots everywhere including the US. And just for the record, the moment you think you’re better than everyone else, that’s the moment you should probably stop flying.

Over what time period did you look at the European safety stats? Did you include Eastern Europe? We may now be the best paid pilots in the world but given what I’m betting is your limited experience of this industry, anyone who witnessed the “The lost decade” from a window seat will tell you, US pilots were anything but well paid. 10 years ago, I was earning more as a 73 FO overseas, than a UAL captain after the bankruptcy. Added to which, it could all disappear in a heartbeat and we’ll be back to 18 year FO’s and furloughs.

Let’s be clear here, I wasn’t being snarky or arrogant. Sarcastic, yes but all I did was dare to question you’re reasoning for making a statement that was patently incorrect and you got defensive.

baseball

no shortage of pilot jobs. Therefore lots of opportunities to go out and get experience, and build time. Once you get all your ratings it really only takes about a year and a half of concentrated flying to get marketable. Inside of 3 years you should have adequate knowledge and experience to get into a part 121 jet operation. No real reason to freak out about lack of pilots. Keep incentivizing the profession. Build it and they will come. Reward hard work and dedication. It's a great career for those that invest in themselves and invest in the career path.

aviator249

Definitely a good point. I really do hope what your Dad observed of those new hires at the time continues to be the case for all our new hires. Considering the major changes in both general aviation and the airline business since then though, I don’t see an issue with testing that out again with the current atmosphere. I’d much rather them do that than just go for it without any data or trends if the time comes that all United paint jobs are flown by mainline and lower time applicants become more common.

Sniper66

[QUOTE=, I was earning more as a 73 FO overseas, than a UAL captain after the bankruptcy. Added to which, it could all disappear in a heartbeat and we’ll be back to 18 year FO’s and furloughs.




can you please tell me where did you fly that you earned more than 135 dollars per hour which was the 737 captain pay at 2005 at United?

emirates was paying 4600 per month on the 330 and 777 as an FO at 2005

its hard to believe that you did earn more as an FO on the 737

Kenny

[QUOTE=Sniper66;2973380][QUOTE=, I was earning more as a 73 FO overseas, than a UAL captain after the bankruptcy. Added to which, it could all disappear in a heartbeat and we’ll be back to 18 year FO’s and furloughs.




can you please tell me where did you fly that you earned more than 135 dollars per hour which was the 737 captain pay at 2005 at United?

emirates was paying 4600 per month on the 330 and 777 as an FO at 2005

its hard to believe that you did earn more as an FO on the 737[/QUOTE]

Sniper, I think you might have missed the “10 years ago” part. So in 2010. Also, in 2005 EK was still a great gig and they paid for everything, so you didn’t necessarily need a high base salary to justify it. Was it really only $4600? I thought EK FO’s were taking home around $7k a month and Captains around $10-12k, at that time.

Check your PM’s.

NYC Pilot

Kenny, you are pretty close on what Emirates was paying in 2005 era. FO pay was $7,500-$8,000 and Captains closer to $12,500. That was just the cash compensation. Emirates also provides housing, car with driver to/from work , educational allowance for children, free dry cleaning, free uniforms, etc...So in 2005, that was a great package, especially tax free..Also, during that same period, the American Delta United 's were paying extremely low wages. I think 777/747 Captains topped out at around $190 an hour. Usually those folks have minimum 25-30 years seniority to touch that equipment. So yes, for those who are not aware....USA had a period of very low compensation for major airline pilots. Around 2000-early 2001, United, Delta had good contracts just to be wiped out after 9/11...That poor pay continued until around 2013 when airlines were profitable again and better contracts were negotiated.