Contract 2019
01-14-2020, 09:40 AM
#101
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Dislike intensely the supposed “pie” talk. When the cost of fuel goes up does management turn to the suppliers and say, “sorry, our fuel pie is only so big”?
No. we get what we can negotiate and for heavens sake, stop spinning the lame-ass pie story. That tired old phrase has been managing expectations well before I came on property 33 years ago and is meaningless. Yes management sets out to craft a contract that costs them only so much but it’s our job to exceed it and then some.
Shut your Pie-Hole
No. we get what we can negotiate and for heavens sake, stop spinning the lame-ass pie story. That tired old phrase has been managing expectations well before I came on property 33 years ago and is meaningless. Yes management sets out to craft a contract that costs them only so much but it’s our job to exceed it and then some.
Shut your Pie-Hole
01-14-2020, 10:17 AM
#104
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Simply saying that stuffing certain costs into a “Pie” is BS. Costs aren’t static and our contracts aren’t either. Just because management declares that our costs can only be so high doesn’t mean we need to agree to it. Capiche?
01-14-2020, 10:18 AM
#105
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01-14-2020, 11:38 AM
#106
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Position: 777 CAP
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I’d like apple pie ala mode. But, I’d like the pie heated, and I don’t want the ice cream on top. I want the ice cream on the side. And I want strawberry instead of vanilla, if you have it. But if not, I’d like whipped cream, but only if it’s real. If it’s out of the can, then nothing.
01-14-2020, 01:23 PM
#107
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Position: B737 CAPT IAH
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The issue is the opposite isn’t true.
We only have so much leverage within the RLA. Contracts don’t expire. Etc.
Unfortunately, the final size of the pie/cost of the new agreement will be directly proportional to the amount of leverage and negotiating capital we have.
Absent that, we can all operate under this contract until............
So no, you don’t roll over. You aim high but keep a cross check on the reality of our status under the RLA as well as to make it known in no uncertain terms that certain items like scope can’t be sacrificed.
We will know the outcome in the next few months IMHO. Then, 1 pilot and 1 vote.
Lee
01-14-2020, 08:09 PM
#108
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Joined APC: Sep 2010
Position: EWR 777 Captain
Posts: 1,715
I’d like apple pie ala mode. But, I’d like the pie heated, and I don’t want the ice cream on top. I want the ice cream on the side. And I want strawberry instead of vanilla, if you have it. But if not, I’d like whipped cream, but only if it’s real. If it’s out of the can, then nothing.
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01-14-2020, 10:11 PM
#109
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Joined APC: May 2019
Posts: 432
That’s a bummer! It’s also the exact reason once I got off reserve about 4 years ago I’ve since turned my nose up to any new seat (777/787FO/NB CA) that would have me on reserve and living that nightmare. Hopefully we secure some nice changes for those that are willing to volunteer for reserve or those that are forced on to it.
01-15-2020, 09:04 AM
#110
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Joined APC: Nov 2009
Posts: 5,265
dislike intensely the supposed “pie” talk. When the cost of fuel goes up does management turn to the suppliers and say, “sorry, our fuel pie is only so big”?
No. We get what we can negotiate and for heavens sake, stop spinning the lame-ass pie story. That tired old phrase has been managing expectations well before i came on property 33 years ago and is meaningless. Yes management sets out to craft a contract that costs them only so much but it’s our job to exceed it and then some.
Shut your pie-hole
No. We get what we can negotiate and for heavens sake, stop spinning the lame-ass pie story. That tired old phrase has been managing expectations well before i came on property 33 years ago and is meaningless. Yes management sets out to craft a contract that costs them only so much but it’s our job to exceed it and then some.
Shut your pie-hole
^^^^^this x1000^^^^^
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