Contract 2019
01-13-2020, 10:32 AM
#91
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Not saying it’s the right answer, but I honestly don’t see them throwing much of our negotiating capital at changing reserve rules. Most of the guys that have been around had much worse rules, and with our retirements and growth, very few people sit reserve unless they choose too. I’m not saying there’s not things they could change, but in the end the way negotiations work, there’s so many dollars to spend, I just don’t see much changing on the reserve front at all.a lot of guys don’t understand the union is working within a cost structure to a new contract, dollars spent in one area can’t be spent in another, so they try to maximize the benefits to the entire pilot group as best possible. That’s the reality of the situation, the other reality is if we want zero give on scope, this will take a while.
There has to be changes. Using your logic of those before us had worse work rules... we should go back to worse pay?
01-13-2020, 11:17 AM
#92
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Did not say say that at all lol, Just said there’s X amount of capital, there not going to pour a tremendous amount into a reserve overhaul. The Unions been pretty clear all along this is an improvement on our contract, not an entire redo. Try being rational and having realistic expectations it will serve you well in life.
01-13-2020, 08:20 PM
#93
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Did not say say that at all lol, Just said there’s X amount of capital, there not going to pour a tremendous amount into a reserve overhaul. The Unions been pretty clear all along this is an improvement on our contract, not an entire redo. Try being rational and having realistic expectations it will serve you well in life.
It all comes down to what you can get a the table. Management, AA in particular, is famous for saying there are only X dollars, it's up to the union to split it up. BS.
If all you think is we have to give to get, that's all you will get.
01-13-2020, 09:10 PM
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The pie that management wants to carve up is just so big. The size of the pie that they can or will carve up is a different matter. I really don’t care what kind of pie that they want. We are in the best position that we’ve had in decades. I want a big piece of pie, and it better be pecan with a scoop of ice cream too.
01-13-2020, 09:16 PM
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For all you new guys, I will say this again. THERE IS NO X AMOUNT OF CAPITAL for contract improvements. A get in one area DOES NOT MEAN WE HAVE TO GIVE ANYTHING UP!!!
It all comes down to what you can get a the table. Management, AA in particular, is famous for saying there are only X dollars, it's up to the union to split it up. BS.
If all you think is we have to give to get, that's all you will get.
It all comes down to what you can get a the table. Management, AA in particular, is famous for saying there are only X dollars, it's up to the union to split it up. BS.
If all you think is we have to give to get, that's all you will get.
01-13-2020, 11:19 PM
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The pie that management wants to carve up is just so big. The size of the pie that they can or will carve up is a different matter. I really don’t care what kind of pie that they want. We are in the best position that we’ve had in decades. I want a big piece of pie, and it better be pecan with a scoop of ice cream too.
Lee
01-14-2020, 05:42 AM
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No. we get what we can negotiate and for heavens sake, stop spinning the lame-ass pie story. That tired old phrase has been managing expectations well before I came on property 33 years ago and is meaningless. Yes management sets out to craft a contract that costs them only so much but it’s our job to exceed it and then some.
Shut your Pie-Hole
01-14-2020, 07:09 AM
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Dislike intensely the supposed “pie” talk. When the cost of fuel goes up does management turn to the suppliers and say, “sorry, our fuel pie is only so big”?
No. we get what we can negotiate and for heavens sake, stop spinning the lame-ass pie story. That tired old phrase has been managing expectations well before I came on property 33 years ago and is meaningless. Yes management sets out to craft a contract that costs them only so much but it’s our job to exceed it and then some.
Shut your Pie-Hole
No. we get what we can negotiate and for heavens sake, stop spinning the lame-ass pie story. That tired old phrase has been managing expectations well before I came on property 33 years ago and is meaningless. Yes management sets out to craft a contract that costs them only so much but it’s our job to exceed it and then some.
Shut your Pie-Hole
Lee
01-14-2020, 07:17 AM
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I think his point(which I suspect you know) is that management doesn’t get to dictate the pie size. It’s our job to extract more than what they want to give. If we just accept their premise of the pie size, we wouldn’t need a bargaining agent. But again, I think you know that.
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