United and JetBlue merger
12-20-2019, 06:52 PM
#71
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To the originator of the thread. I have not heard anything about JetBlue in years.
No rumors no nothing.
No rumors no nothing.
12-30-2019, 04:22 AM
#72
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If there was a merger. What's the likely outcome to all new hires say this year? Out on the street I suppose?
Last edited by korg128; 12-30-2019 at 04:43 AM.
12-30-2019, 06:35 AM
#74
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For the guy who asked where new guys would go:
It’s crazy to try to plan for Internet rumors. Best thing to do is get on a seniority list and ride the wave. You can’t predict what is going to happen or who will merge and won’t. Just like all this oh our CEO said this or the DOJ won’t allow that. It’s all a game and we are just the pawns not the players. We will be moved as they see fit. It’s actually a great time to be in aviation so enjoy it.
12-30-2019, 08:19 AM
#75
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ALPA merger policy would be in place for all people currently on the seniority list. The process is very mechanical with a computer program having been used for the last several mergers to create the merged list, and that program uses category and class as the primary driver of the merged list.
The category and classes look like this:
1) widebody captain
2)narrow body captain
3) widebody FO
4)narrowbody FO
5) E190 captain
6) E190 FO
7) furloughed pilots
Now the key factor to understand and the one that throws some folks is that it's not what people are actually holding that matters, but what they WOULD hold if everyone took the highest category and class available to them based on their seniority. As Jetblue has no WB captains, the ALPA program would start slotting them in somewhere around 3000 (approximate number of WB capt slots at UAL) and the bottom would consist of the most junior Jetblue pilots equal to the total number E190 captains and FOs. They would end up on the bottom of the list and the program would slot everyone else somewhere in between depending on the percentages put into the program by the arbitrators. I know, I know I can hear folks rolling their eyes now, but trust me that is how it would work.
Not everyone likes the new system, but it really has taken most of the guess work out of seniority list integration for ALPA carriers.
Here was my guess for my spot during the CAL/UAL merger:
This is what happens when you're stuck in bed with a torn ligament . . .
. . . I'll lay 2:1 odds that based on 7563 UAL pilots and 4589 CAL pilots plus 577 new hires . . . . I will be between 6200 and 7100.
if it gets sorted DOH I'm 6281 and if it gets sorted relative seniority I get 7087 . . .
. . . I'll lay 2:1 odds that based on 7563 UAL pilots and 4589 CAL pilots plus 577 new hires . . . . I will be between 6200 and 7100.
- WB-CP UAL(1557)/CAL(0741) 00000 to 02298
- NB-CP UAL(0997)/CAL(1220) 02299 to 04515
- WB-FO UAL(2384)/CAL(1250) 04516 to 08149
- NB-FO UAL(1178)/CAL(1181) 08150 to 10508
- FL-FO UAL(1447)/CAL(0197) 10508 to 12154
- CN-FO UAL(0000)/CAL(0577) 12155 to 12731
if it gets sorted DOH I'm 6281 and if it gets sorted relative seniority I get 7087 . . .
12-30-2019, 08:34 AM
#76
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This sure is a bunch of mental gymnastics over a rumor most likely started by Florida commuters fueling the 20+ year dream of a FL crew base.
12-30-2019, 08:47 AM
#77
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Posts: 840
Please, for the love of everything Holy, United and JetBlue are not merging!! Enough already!! Start a new rumor or something!!
12-30-2019, 08:57 AM
#78
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ALPA merger policy would be in place for all people currently on the seniority list. The process is very mechanical with a computer program having been used for the last several mergers to create the merged list, and that program uses category and class as the primary driver of the merged list.
The category and classes look like this:
1) widebody captain
2)narrow body captain
3) widebody FO
4)narrowbody FO
5) E190 captain
6) E190 FO
7) furloughed pilots
Now the key factor to understand and the one that throws some folks is that it's not what people are actually holding that matters, but what they WOULD hold if everyone took the highest category and class available to them based on their seniority. As Jetblue has no WB captains, the ALPA program would start slotting them in somewhere around 3000 (approximate number of WB capt slots at UAL) and the bottom would consist of the most junior Jetblue pilots equal to the total number E190 captains and FOs. They would end up on the bottom of the list and the program would slot everyone else somewhere in between depending on the percentages put into the program by the arbitrators. I know, I know I can hear folks rolling their eyes now, but trust me that is how it would work.
Not everyone likes the new system, but it really has taken most of the guess work out of seniority list integration for ALPA carriers.
Here was my guess for my spot during the CAL/UAL merger:
I ended up at 6551.
The category and classes look like this:
1) widebody captain
2)narrow body captain
3) widebody FO
4)narrowbody FO
5) E190 captain
6) E190 FO
7) furloughed pilots
Now the key factor to understand and the one that throws some folks is that it's not what people are actually holding that matters, but what they WOULD hold if everyone took the highest category and class available to them based on their seniority. As Jetblue has no WB captains, the ALPA program would start slotting them in somewhere around 3000 (approximate number of WB capt slots at UAL) and the bottom would consist of the most junior Jetblue pilots equal to the total number E190 captains and FOs. They would end up on the bottom of the list and the program would slot everyone else somewhere in between depending on the percentages put into the program by the arbitrators. I know, I know I can hear folks rolling their eyes now, but trust me that is how it would work.
Not everyone likes the new system, but it really has taken most of the guess work out of seniority list integration for ALPA carriers.
Here was my guess for my spot during the CAL/UAL merger:
I ended up at 6551.
Also we have a huge 757/767 fleet that would be a higher status/category than JB’s Airbus planes.
12-30-2019, 09:14 AM
#79
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Position: Airbus 320 Right Seat
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Kirby at many charm school events saying it ain’t happening , def means it’s already a done deal.
12-30-2019, 09:21 AM
#80
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Kirby said the only reason we would want them is JFK, and it would be too expensive just to get some gates there. But he also said there might be another way to get JBs gates without buying them. But he didn’t go on and nobody asked him any more.
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