Chances of a Job in a Legacy Carrier
12-15-2019, 04:56 PM
#12
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DO NOT LIE ABOUT A DUI.
YOU HAVE TO LIST IT ON YOUR MEDICAL CERTIFICATE APPLICATION AND YOU CAN BE FINED, JAILED, AND HAVE ALL YOUR CERTIFICATES REVOKED.
the people saying not to list it are giving you bad advice. I’d say apply and be honest and you won’t regret at least trying.
YOU HAVE TO LIST IT ON YOUR MEDICAL CERTIFICATE APPLICATION AND YOU CAN BE FINED, JAILED, AND HAVE ALL YOUR CERTIFICATES REVOKED.
the people saying not to list it are giving you bad advice. I’d say apply and be honest and you won’t regret at least trying.
If you lie to the FAA about a DUI, you can definitely go to jail. You WILL definitely get all your FAA certs revoked.
If an airline finds out you lied after you start (even years later), you'll be immediately fired. No union protections for that, if they have the evidence.
12-16-2019, 01:35 PM
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Be honest and upfront about EVERYTHING. It blows my mind that people on here even entertain risking it. One of the things HR departments look for is integrity/sincerity. Given the right attitude and practice you would be surprised at how many bad situations can become good interview stories.
That being said it does make it harder to get an interview when 5,000 other applicants also have thousands of hours and no DUI. Just means you have to work harder to set yourself apart.
That being said it does make it harder to get an interview when 5,000 other applicants also have thousands of hours and no DUI. Just means you have to work harder to set yourself apart.
12-16-2019, 01:57 PM
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Honestly I think you need to find out definitively if your DUI in Europe is even discoverable in the States. If it is then truthfully you’re gonna have a difficult time trying to get hired at a quality airline here.
If it’s not then I wouldn’t even list it. The worst that can happen is that they catch it in the background check at which point you still haven’t quit your European airline.
If I were you I’d do some very thorough research on if your DUI will even show up in the U.S. Perhaps even hire an attorney to look into it.
If it’s not then I wouldn’t even list it. The worst that can happen is that they catch it in the background check at which point you still haven’t quit your European airline.
If I were you I’d do some very thorough research on if your DUI will even show up in the U.S. Perhaps even hire an attorney to look into it.
12-17-2019, 05:18 AM
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You also might want to consider calling ALPA legal or aeromedical to get some insight on how it would be reported on a US medical, although your not an ALPA member, they are extremely helpful and could probably give you some good advice. Regardless of how it would be reported on a FAA medical, as other posters said I would be upfront with United about it if you get an interview, they are looking for integrity and 20 years ago with no other violations is quite a long time. Best of luck.
12-17-2019, 05:24 AM
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Did you do any medical treatment after the DUI?
ALPA HIMS documentation suggests for someone with one DUI the probability of them being an alcoholic is about 85%.
I don’t know what you’ll be asked in any future interviews, but be ready to talk about more than “tell me about a time” or “what did you learn from that”.
Is it possible to get a legacy job? Yes.
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I think it is unlikely a potential employer in the US would find out about your 20 year old European DUI unless you disclosed it. That is a moral and ethical risk that is none of my business. Could you sleep at night if you didn’t disclose it? If you got terminated for not disclosing it how would you feel?
I disagree that full transparency, being honest and upfront about everything is always the best method for passing an interview. If interviews were objective, transparent and based on meritocracy of course that is good advice. But this is the real world and things that presented as black and white are usually much more grey and full of imperfections.
Best wishes.
ALPA HIMS documentation suggests for someone with one DUI the probability of them being an alcoholic is about 85%.
I don’t know what you’ll be asked in any future interviews, but be ready to talk about more than “tell me about a time” or “what did you learn from that”.
Is it possible to get a legacy job? Yes.
https://himsprogram.com/Home/About
I think it is unlikely a potential employer in the US would find out about your 20 year old European DUI unless you disclosed it. That is a moral and ethical risk that is none of my business. Could you sleep at night if you didn’t disclose it? If you got terminated for not disclosing it how would you feel?
I disagree that full transparency, being honest and upfront about everything is always the best method for passing an interview. If interviews were objective, transparent and based on meritocracy of course that is good advice. But this is the real world and things that presented as black and white are usually much more grey and full of imperfections.
Best wishes.
12-17-2019, 05:31 AM
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Did you do any medical treatment after the DUI?
ALPA HIMS documentation suggests for someone with one DUI the probability of them being an alcoholic is about 85%.
I don’t know what you’ll be asked in any future interviews, but be ready to talk about more than “tell me about a time” or “what did you learn from that”.
Best wishes.
Is it possible to get a legacy job? Yes.
https://himsprogram.com/Home/About
I think it is unlikely a potential employer in the US would find out about your 20 year old European DUI unless you disclosed it. That is a moral and ethical choice that is none of my business.
ALPA HIMS documentation suggests for someone with one DUI the probability of them being an alcoholic is about 85%.
I don’t know what you’ll be asked in any future interviews, but be ready to talk about more than “tell me about a time” or “what did you learn from that”.
Best wishes.
Is it possible to get a legacy job? Yes.
https://himsprogram.com/Home/About
I think it is unlikely a potential employer in the US would find out about your 20 year old European DUI unless you disclosed it. That is a moral and ethical choice that is none of my business.
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12-17-2019, 05:34 AM
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I find that statistic hard to believe. From my college days and knowing my peers, the only reason 75% (guessing) of the population don't have a DUI on their record is luck. Most college age kids have driven once or twice after drinking a little too much, then realized what a bad idea it was later. They mature and don't do it anymore as adults. But, had they been unlucky enough to be caught during that learning experience, I don't think that means they're now 85% likely to be an alcoholic.
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Perhaps you are correct with college kids and DUI. However, my experience with HIMS is that just one DUI as a pilot will most likely result in being enrolled in HIMS program.
After an assessment it’s rare for a pilot to keep a Class I without intervention and treatment after a DUI.
12-17-2019, 05:53 AM
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Oh yeah...
Another thing. This is a complex issue as it is both medical and legal.
Canada, the EU and the US have different standards for what is a DUI and what isn’t.
Getting an attorney involved is probably a good idea who specializes in international aviation law.
Of course, the easy thing to do is just disclose it. I don’t know how DUI disclosing affects your chances, but people with not so recent DUIs do get hired. Some of the best employees and pilots I’ve met are in recovery, hopefully hiring boards see that the benefits can outweigh the risks.
Another thing. This is a complex issue as it is both medical and legal.
Canada, the EU and the US have different standards for what is a DUI and what isn’t.
Getting an attorney involved is probably a good idea who specializes in international aviation law.
Of course, the easy thing to do is just disclose it. I don’t know how DUI disclosing affects your chances, but people with not so recent DUIs do get hired. Some of the best employees and pilots I’ve met are in recovery, hopefully hiring boards see that the benefits can outweigh the risks.
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