UA to Hire 4000 Pilots Between Now and 2022
11-07-2019, 04:39 AM
#121
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 35
Category is a contractual UPA term.
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Category is a Base, Equipment, and Status combination (e.g. ORD 756 F/O) to which a Pilot is assigned.
If your going to work at UAL the contract is your Bible and it needs to be learned!
11-07-2019, 05:33 AM
#122
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Joined APC: Oct 2019
Position: B737 CA
Posts: 114
I’ve been commuting to EWR 20 years, much better quality of life then living on the East or West Coast. Commuting only freaks out guys who don’t know how to do it, or have never done it. If your in a large city with frequency or a couple choices on carriers it’s a no brained 90% of the time. I’d rather spend an extra two nights at the Marriott in EWR then my whole life somewhere I don’t want to be...
11-07-2019, 06:04 AM
#124
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Joined APC: May 2009
Posts: 1,860
I’ve been commuting to EWR 20 years, much better quality of life then living on the East or West Coast. Commuting only freaks out guys who don’t know how to do it, or have never done it. If your in a large city with frequency or a couple choices on carriers it’s a no brained 90% of the time. I’d rather spend an extra two nights at the Marriott in EWR then my whole life somewhere I don’t want to be...
11-07-2019, 06:24 AM
#125
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Joined APC: Sep 2010
Position: EWR 777 Captain
Posts: 1,715
I’ve been commuting to EWR 20 years, much better quality of life then living on the East or West Coast. Commuting only freaks out guys who don’t know how to do it, or have never done it. If your in a large city with frequency or a couple choices on carriers it’s a no brained 90% of the time. I’d rather spend an extra two nights at the Marriott in EWR then my whole life somewhere I don’t want to be...
Beauty of this job is, there's something for everyone. I'm happy to hear you enjoy commuting and think living on either coast is not desirable because if everyone wanted the same thing it would make having that "thing" very exclusive.
Now allow me to offer a different perspective. I have been fortunate enough to be married to an incredible woman who has had a smashingly successful career in corporate America. Over the years we have lived in CT, NY, IL, OR, and CA. I have commuted from ORD to HPN, LGA to ORD, PDX to JFK, PDX to SFO, JFK to SFO, and LGA to IAD. The last commute I did for about 5 years. For that last commute I would leave home at 10 AM for a 3 PM show and land back 3 days later at 3PM and catch a 6 PM flight home reaching my house around 9 PM. So let's do some math.
10-3 is 5 hours commuting on the front, and 3-9 is 6 hours on the back. Thats 11 hours per trip times an average 4 trips per month times 12 months:
11 x 4 x 12 = 528 hours
528 hours/ 24 hours per day means I spent 20 + days each year on the road just getting to and from work, and 5 on the front and 6 on the back is nothing compared to what most guys I see today who quite often have to come the night prior or leave the day after which puts them more like 30 days per year away from home.
So, maybe you don't mind being gone from your family for an extra month each year, but I mind that A LOT. Commuting . . . no thank you.
As to living in NY, yes I pay higher taxes, but I live one hour from LGA, and pick up Premium Pay trips most anytime I want which easily boosts my pay by 20% annually. However, far more important are all the intangibles. Where I live, I can't see my neighbors. I have a walking trail in the forest behind my house where I walk my dogs everyday off leash. I have deer, turkey, bob cat, and all manner of wildlife around me. On the flip side, I can easily get to NYC with a 45 minute express train and catch a show anytime I want. My kids went to public school, and my son got a perfect score on the SAT and is now attending the same Ivy I did. My neighbors are doctors, lawyers, artists, and even famous actors, all highly educated folk - well maybe not the actors
. There are no trailer homes anywhere remotely close to where I live, and last but certainly not least I LOVE having 4 seasons. Anyways, sorry to hear you hate the coasts, but some of us have a very different opinion on what "better quality of life" implies
Last edited by Sunvox; 11-07-2019 at 06:34 AM.
11-07-2019, 08:18 AM
#127
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Joined APC: Feb 2013
Position: CRJ200; FO
Posts: 391
Beauty of this job is, there's something for everyone. I'm happy to hear you enjoy commuting and think living on either coast is not desirable because if everyone wanted the same thing it would make having that "thing" very exclusive.
Now allow me to offer a different perspective. I have been fortunate enough to be married to an incredible woman who has had a smashingly successful career in corporate America. Over the years we have lived in CT, NY, IL, OR, and CA. I have commuted from ORD to HPN, LGA to ORD, PDX to JFK, PDX to SFO, JFK to SFO, and LGA to IAD. The last commute I did for about 5 years. For that last commute I would leave home at 10 AM for a 3 PM show and land back 3 days later at 3PM and catch a 6 PM flight home reaching my house around 9 PM. So let's do some math.
10-3 is 5 hours commuting on the front, and 3-9 is 6 hours on the back. Thats 11 hours per trip times an average 4 trips per month times 12 months:
11 x 4 x 12 = 528 hours
528 hours/ 24 hours per day means I spent 20 + days each year on the road just getting to and from work, and 5 on the front and 6 on the back is nothing compared to what most guys I see today who quite often have to come the night prior or leave the day after which puts them more like 30 days per year away from home.
So, maybe you don't mind being gone from your family for an extra month each year, but I mind that A LOT. Commuting . . . no thank you.
As to living in NY, yes I pay higher taxes, but I live one hour from LGA, and pick up Premium Pay trips most anytime I want which easily boosts my pay by 20% annually. However, far more important are all the intangibles. Where I live, I can't see my neighbors. I have a walking trail in the forest behind my house where I walk my dogs everyday off leash. I have deer, turkey, bob cat, and all manner of wildlife around me. On the flip side, I can easily get to NYC with a 45 minute express train and catch a show anytime I want. My kids went to public school, and my son got a perfect score on the SAT and is now attending the same Ivy I did. My neighbors are doctors, lawyers, artists, and even famous actors, all highly educated folk - well maybe not the actors . There are no trailer homes anywhere remotely close to where I live, and last but certainly not least I LOVE having 4 seasons.
Anyways, sorry to hear you hate the coasts, but some of us have a very different opinion on what "better quality of life" implies
Now allow me to offer a different perspective. I have been fortunate enough to be married to an incredible woman who has had a smashingly successful career in corporate America. Over the years we have lived in CT, NY, IL, OR, and CA. I have commuted from ORD to HPN, LGA to ORD, PDX to JFK, PDX to SFO, JFK to SFO, and LGA to IAD. The last commute I did for about 5 years. For that last commute I would leave home at 10 AM for a 3 PM show and land back 3 days later at 3PM and catch a 6 PM flight home reaching my house around 9 PM. So let's do some math.
10-3 is 5 hours commuting on the front, and 3-9 is 6 hours on the back. Thats 11 hours per trip times an average 4 trips per month times 12 months:
11 x 4 x 12 = 528 hours
528 hours/ 24 hours per day means I spent 20 + days each year on the road just getting to and from work, and 5 on the front and 6 on the back is nothing compared to what most guys I see today who quite often have to come the night prior or leave the day after which puts them more like 30 days per year away from home.
So, maybe you don't mind being gone from your family for an extra month each year, but I mind that A LOT. Commuting . . . no thank you.
As to living in NY, yes I pay higher taxes, but I live one hour from LGA, and pick up Premium Pay trips most anytime I want which easily boosts my pay by 20% annually. However, far more important are all the intangibles. Where I live, I can't see my neighbors. I have a walking trail in the forest behind my house where I walk my dogs everyday off leash. I have deer, turkey, bob cat, and all manner of wildlife around me. On the flip side, I can easily get to NYC with a 45 minute express train and catch a show anytime I want. My kids went to public school, and my son got a perfect score on the SAT and is now attending the same Ivy I did. My neighbors are doctors, lawyers, artists, and even famous actors, all highly educated folk - well maybe not the actors
. There are no trailer homes anywhere remotely close to where I live, and last but certainly not least I LOVE having 4 seasons. Anyways, sorry to hear you hate the coasts, but some of us have a very different opinion on what "better quality of life" implies
Anyways like I said was just looking for the quickest BES to QOL for a Commuter. Opinions on commuting unneeded.
11-07-2019, 11:02 AM
#128
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Joined APC: Feb 2011
Position: 756 Left Side
Posts: 1,629
But my mom and dad were regular blue collar workers. Raise 2 kids.. one great and the other a pilot (
).The thought that ANYONE can't live anywhere on our salaries is a little belittling.
Sure, as Sunvox mentioned.. it semi sucks the taxes we pay. I'm at 11g's a year! But mind you, I don't have to worry about commuting and yesterday when I got in from HNL, I was home within 45mins from block in! The other FO was just getting on his commute home.
Some of my neighbors make half as much as I do and they still live comfortably.
Sure, they can't pick up a new Bimmer every 3-4 years.. let alone leave it running in the parking lot for a few days! But ANY new hire can live comfortably anywhere within 30 miles of EWR.. for a few years and then branch out to something bigger and better.
My .02 cents
now.. back to your scheduled program~
Motch
Oh, FS, FP & FtC!
11-07-2019, 11:07 AM
#129
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Joined APC: Sep 2010
Position: EWR 777 Captain
Posts: 1,715
Point is the Northeast has some awesome communities with superb schools, beautiful landscapes, perfect weather (if you like seasons), and not nearly as expensive as some think plus no fire ants or poisonous snakes or spiders
Sorry, if you thought that was meant for you. It was not.
11-07-2019, 11:20 AM
#130
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 705
Now allow me to offer a different perspective.
I have been fortunate enough to be married to an incredible woman who has had a smashingly successful career in corporate America. Over the years we have lived in CT, NY, IL, OR, and CA. I have commuted from ORD to HPN, LGA to ORD, PDX to JFK, PDX to SFO, JFK to SFO, and LGA to IAD. The last commute I did for about 5 years. For that last commute I would leave home at 10 AM for a 3 PM show and land back 3 days later at 3PM and catch a 6 PM flight home reaching my house around 9 PM. So let's do some math.
10-3 is 5 hours commuting on the front, and 3-9 is 6 hours on the back. Thats 11 hours per trip times an average 4 trips per month times 12 months:
11 x 4 x 12 = 528 hours
528 hours/ 24 hours per day means I spent 20 + days each year on the road just getting to and from work, and 5 on the front and 6 on the back is nothing compared to what most guys I see today who quite often have to come the night prior or leave the day after which puts them more like 30 days per year away from home.
So, maybe you don't mind being gone from your family for an extra month each year, but I mind that A LOT. Commuting . . . no thank you.
As to living in NY, yes I pay higher taxes, but I live one hour from LGA, and pick up Premium Pay trips most anytime I want which easily boosts my pay by 20% annually. However, far more important are all the intangibles. Where I live, I can't see my neighbors. I have a walking trail in the forest behind my house where I walk my dogs everyday off leash. I have deer, turkey, bob cat, and all manner of wildlife around me. On the flip side, I can easily get to NYC with a 45 minute express train and catch a show anytime I want. My kids went to public school, and my son got a perfect score on the SAT and is now attending the same Ivy I did. My neighbors are doctors, lawyers, artists, and even famous actors, all highly educated folk - well maybe not the actors . There are no trailer homes anywhere remotely close to where I live, and last but certainly not least I LOVE having 4 seasons.
Anyways, sorry to hear you hate the coasts, but some of us have a very different opinion on what "better quality of life" implies
I have been fortunate enough to be married to an incredible woman who has had a smashingly successful career in corporate America. Over the years we have lived in CT, NY, IL, OR, and CA. I have commuted from ORD to HPN, LGA to ORD, PDX to JFK, PDX to SFO, JFK to SFO, and LGA to IAD. The last commute I did for about 5 years. For that last commute I would leave home at 10 AM for a 3 PM show and land back 3 days later at 3PM and catch a 6 PM flight home reaching my house around 9 PM. So let's do some math.
10-3 is 5 hours commuting on the front, and 3-9 is 6 hours on the back. Thats 11 hours per trip times an average 4 trips per month times 12 months:
11 x 4 x 12 = 528 hours
528 hours/ 24 hours per day means I spent 20 + days each year on the road just getting to and from work, and 5 on the front and 6 on the back is nothing compared to what most guys I see today who quite often have to come the night prior or leave the day after which puts them more like 30 days per year away from home.
So, maybe you don't mind being gone from your family for an extra month each year, but I mind that A LOT. Commuting . . . no thank you.
As to living in NY, yes I pay higher taxes, but I live one hour from LGA, and pick up Premium Pay trips most anytime I want which easily boosts my pay by 20% annually. However, far more important are all the intangibles. Where I live, I can't see my neighbors. I have a walking trail in the forest behind my house where I walk my dogs everyday off leash. I have deer, turkey, bob cat, and all manner of wildlife around me. On the flip side, I can easily get to NYC with a 45 minute express train and catch a show anytime I want. My kids went to public school, and my son got a perfect score on the SAT and is now attending the same Ivy I did. My neighbors are doctors, lawyers, artists, and even famous actors, all highly educated folk - well maybe not the actors
. There are no trailer homes anywhere remotely close to where I live, and last but certainly not least I LOVE having 4 seasons. Anyways, sorry to hear you hate the coasts, but some of us have a very different opinion on what "better quality of life" implies
