ugleeual

My Delta buds always laugh when I tell them our MEC wants delta terms... they always snap back how they want our terms. Bottom line is that both contracts have pros/cons.

fanaticalflyer

El Guapo, you don’t understand the reserve pay then. Geez. You pick up a 20 hr trip on VDO, you get 50% add of 10 hours. Your MPG does NOT go up. It stays at 73. For Delta they get the entire 20 hours of the trip added to their monthly guarantee. Delta reserve pay goes up rapidly for each additional premium pay.

OOfff

Not quite a day off “of their choice.” The payback day is automatically placed on the next available reserve day. If there aren’t any left in the month, those PB days are “banked” for use in future months at the crewmember’s discretion (Think paid drops). If you don’t use the PB days by a certain date I can’t remember, they get racked onto your vacation.

Gone Flying

thanks for the clarification

El Guapo

I understand our pay system. If you pick up a 20hr reserve trip, and never fly again, you get 83 hours of pay. What’s the difference if it’s MPG going up or add pay? It’s 10 hours extra of pay. It’s the exact same amount of money.

Bhramafear

If you flew 78 hours that month you’d want MPG to be 73 with 10 hours of add pay. It’s not really common but there are good reasons it’s add pay and not guarantee.

fanaticalflyer

Wow. You are not too bright when this is being spelled out for you for the umpteenth time. The MPG is critical in differentiating how Delta and UAL reserves get additional money for VDO/Premium trips.

If there is a 20 hour trip in premium time.
For UAL reserve, you only get 50% add pay (10 hrs) to give 83 total in pay.
For DAL reserv, you get full 20 hour credit added to the 73 MPG, to give them 93 total.
You still think it's the same now?!
If there were 70 hours in premium trips,
UAL gets 73 + 35 (50% add pay) = 108 hrs Total
DAL gets 73 + 70 = 143 hrs Total.

You are so right Guapo, it's exactly the same for both carriers. And that MPG and Add Pay is not different at all. Ugh!

Guapo, Please don't reply. Save yourself from further embarrassment!

FL370esq

Almost....

You are 100% correct that a Delta reserve pilot will get the value of a (greenslip/premium/OT) trip paid out on top of his/her monthly guarantee. If reserve guarantee is 78 hours and you pick up a 2-day trip over two of your off days worth 10+30, your pay statement will now reflect 88+30.

You are also entitled to the two off days over which which you volunteered to fly but you cannot pick where they go (if you still have days in the month left). They will simply put them on at the end of your trip. However, if you return from your trip on, say the 30th of Sept, scheduling cannot just put them on for 1-2 October. Those off-days become "payback days" that you can use at a later point of your choosing (provided there is adequate reserve coverage) and, if held long enough, they merely become additional vacation days (not the best use of a payback day but sometimes the reality in a short-staffed category).

baseball

If we can't get a new contract, then we should just fly for the 50% premium or whatever premium we can get.

less work + more money + more time off = doing it right

If I gotta go to work, might as well make the over ride. At least we got that going for us.

El Guapo

Where did I ever say that United’s reserve pays more than deltas if working days off? Never said that. I was explaining to the others that UA didn’t ever have to fly again to get the add pay. We work 1 trip in the month on a day off and you get that add pay without ever turning another wrench, unlike what was being posted. And back to the original topic, a lineholder at UA NEVER has to fly a straight time trip. If you don’t see the value in that I can’t help you. For the 50% haters, yesterday was a perfect example. SFO 73 advertised a 50% PPU and there were no takers. Guess what they did? Did it go 100? Nope. They cut it up and gave it to a shortcall. Thanks for playing.