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Old 10-15-2019, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by 1257
United ALPA MEC. I'd post the whole blastmail but haven't checked permission to the public.
Fair enough.

Honestly, if this scenario has shown anything, its how **** poor pilot organizations are at being organizations. Little to no information designed for public dissemination on both sides. It'd be one thing if these items were still in early stages of discussion, but with United and SkyWest/Republic taking actions of their own, there really should be more official information available.
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Old 10-15-2019, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by shrsailplanes
Well, then my career is over before it even started. At 1 year I cannot expect to be even remotely competitive. It will be 2-3 more years before I even upgrade. What a mess. I didn’t ask for this and now my resume will always be associated with it.


Go to another regional
Best choice at the moment if you only have one year at SKW
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Old 10-15-2019, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Sniper66
Go to another regional
Best choice at the moment if you only have one year at SKW
Bit of an overreaction...unless they have nearly 1000 hours. GoJet's offer is quite good, if you don't mind working for GoJet and upgrading as soon as you have the time. The bonus is substantial and they offer pay longevity from your previous carrier.
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Old 10-15-2019, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by JurgenKlopp
Odds of a Skywest guy getting denied on own metal due to UAL pilot are about as likely as Browns making the Super Bowl. Keep digging until your happy...
Please don't lump the browns into the mess, next year is the year!
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Old 10-15-2019, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
you were assured the CRJ 700 would be the largest 70 seater, magically they were able to add much heavier E170s because of a loophole.
That wasn't because of a loophole. The MC at the time, Paul Whiteford, signed a side letter to the contract allowing the E-170. In return for that, he had a "handshake" deal from the company agreeing not to take the pension. Whiteford was an idiot. The company got their E-170 in writing, and then turned around and reneged on their handshake deal and dumped the pension anyway. Since that happened, the MEC voted to never allow a MC to sign anything with the company without full MEC approval.
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Old 10-15-2019, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Hawker445
Industry standard is having Mainline, Mainline dispatchers, exclusive pilots, above Gojet and SkyWest on a republic UAX?
UAL Flight Operations issued a Pilot Bulletin last week with new jumpseat priority tables for Mainline, United Express-Exclusive, Non-UAX-E with agreement, and Non-UAX-E without agreement flights.

The last two tables are identical to the jumpseat boarding priority previously used for all UAX flights. Nothing has changed for jumpseating on Skywest, Republic, Mesa, and GoJets flights.

The changes are only for UAL Mainline flights and UAX-E flights which are Air Wisconsin, CommutAir, ExpressJet, and Trans States.

Originally Posted by Gone Flying
What if a chief pilot wants to take the last flight of the night and magically is able to call in and make himself a must ride.
He creates a positive-space listing and sits in the cabin. That's the same thing that happens when crew scheduling creates a deadhead for us.

FWIW this would be the only JS agreement we have that places any non OO employee( not a fed) ahead of any OO pilot for an OO jumpseat.
We (UAL pilots) don't ride in the jumpseat when we're positive-space. We ride in the cabin and, if deadheading, in E+ seats, or better. If the company is unable to provide our contractually required seat then we sit in the gate area calling scheduling to repair our schedule while the airplane pushes back without us.
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Old 10-15-2019, 11:07 AM
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Old 10-15-2019, 11:11 AM
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he biggest issue YX pilots have is the fact that an express jet dispatcher can bump us? That is not industry standard... like you all are saying. If United wants to put us below UAX exclusive.. fine, i’m okay with that. But we shouldn’t have a lower priority than a UAX exclusive dispatcher... no matter how rare that situation may be. That doesn’t happen at Delta or American
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Old 10-15-2019, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by 814Pilot
he biggest issue YX pilots have is the fact that an express jet dispatcher can bump us? That is not industry standard... like you all are saying. If United wants to put us below UAX exclusive.. fine, i’m okay with that. But we shouldn’t have a lower priority than a UAX exclusive dispatcher... no matter how rare that situation may be. That doesn’t happen at Delta or American
How many times have you seen a dispatcher jumpseat? So that is your reason to fall on the same sword as an organized ‘pilot advisory’ group? Whatever. I remember at XJT back in the day XJT mechanics went on before CAL pilots. It was a problem all of once in my 8 years there.
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Old 10-15-2019, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by 814Pilot
he biggest issue YX pilots have is the fact that an express jet dispatcher can bump us? That is not industry standard... like you all are saying. If United wants to put us below UAX exclusive.. fine, i’m okay with that. But we shouldn’t have a lower priority than a UAX exclusive dispatcher... no matter how rare that situation may be. That doesn’t happen at Delta or American
It's only on United metal and exclusive metal.
If YX pilots wanted to jump on SkyWest for example, the exclusive dispatcher would come after YX pilots.
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