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10-15-2019, 10:05 AM

#951

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Originally Posted by shrsailplanes

It’s not just SAPA that wants this. A change is being made to the FOM. So, SkyWest as a 121 carrier is on board with this. I am a 1 year FO.

With all due respect, look more into it. SAPA is, SkyWest management,
created to make you feel like you have some representation (which you don't) and prevent a vote for ALPA.
I'm not always in agreement with ALPA, but I can first hand say they are not management and do represent us.
Get to UAL/DAL asap.

10-15-2019, 10:05 AM

#952

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Originally Posted by shrsailplanes

It’s not just SAPA that wants this. A change is being made to the FOM. So, SkyWest as a 121 carrier is on board with this. I am a 1 year FO. I just want to do my job, build my experience and be safe.

I imagine the expectation from SkyWest is to start hearing that UAL pilots are not making their commutes and there is some level of disruption. If that doesn’t happen SkyWest will not have any leverage to negotiate. So, I imagine at that point they will be suspect that pilots are choosing to ignore the FOM. That, I suspect, could lead to some sort of crackdown.

So, if I am facing disciplinary action for not following the FOM, who will stand up for me? I would love to work for UAL some day. Will UAL stand up for me?

SAPA is management

10-15-2019, 10:09 AM

#953

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Originally Posted by frascaflyer

Start an ALPA drive.

No one at Skywest will tell you the truth about labor law or Captain’s authority.

Which labor law? The one that makes union action to prevent the hiring of individuals illegal? (Impossible to enforce if the union doesn't make it obvious, but I just thought I'd point out the silliness that are some of the statements on here, talking about legality when they're promoting breaking the law themselves).

Which captain authority? The one that allows them award the jumpseat to anyone that they, the administrator, and management of the certificate holder permit to be there?

For now, I'm letting anyone in the jumpseat (albeit at OAL, reciprocal). But if management actually changes the FOM to not allow United, UAX-E, then it would be willfully violating FARs and company policy. FAA protects the right to deny, for safety reasons. You can't just grant the seat to whoever you please.

10-15-2019, 10:09 AM

#954

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No SKW captain would deny a person the Jumpseat out of spite. I recently had a UA in my Jumpseat who was just trying to get home (2 days before the s### hit the fan). However, if I face disciplinary action due to me not following policy and procedures...
Like it’s mentioned above, if SkyWest fires me, will United hire me?

10-15-2019, 10:13 AM

#955

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Originally Posted by 1257

Well, then my career is over before it even started. At 1 year I cannot expect to be even remotely competitive. It will be 2-3 more years before I even upgrade. What a mess. I didn’t ask for this and now my resume will always be associated with it.

10-15-2019, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Bravix

Well, if its the same thing, why aren't there UA flight attendants staffing those planes?

Oh wait...because it isn't the same thing.

Again, if you want to push for this new way, then by all means. But it by definition is not the same.

Ok. Let me add a word so you can pump your brakes. You ready? “ESSENTIALLY” the same damn thing. Come on man. You are fighting this war over the fact the regional(s) in question are labeled differently based on the business model required? Seriously? Man. I feel sorry for you. I truly do. This will end badly. UAL MEC has just finished a meeting and an email will follow later today.

10-15-2019, 10:17 AM

#957

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Originally Posted by Gone Flying

im going to throw out something that i have not seen discussed. the JS priority table shows "approved United personnel" ahead of OO, RAH, and Mesa pilots on own metal flights. if I walk up to a skywest flight as a skywest pilot and the UAL pilot knows someone in the training dept it seems i could get bumped. seems like this is a way for UA to get priority over own metal to me.

EDIT: trying to post image but unsure how to post a screenshot

Think Oscar Munoz or Scott Kirby when you see approved United personnel.

10-15-2019, 10:20 AM

#958

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Originally Posted by UofM

Haha I get it, but really man, saying they're essentially the same thing is like saying the guys at the exclusive carriers are essentially United pilots. If only that was the case!

10-15-2019, 10:22 AM

#959

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Originally Posted by shrsailplanes

I find it interesting to watch all of this as an outsider. Please allow me to share a thought that I have not seen offered by a UA poster or considered by an OO poster.

In an environment where it is ever increasingly difficult to staff a regional airline, what could be a better windfall for the company than to carefully manipulate the circumstances of this event into a way to disqualify their own employees for jobs at one of the major reasons for resignations? For the life of me I can't imagine SKW management communicating (through changing their FOM) to SKW pilots instructing them to deny jumpseats unless they had an ulterior motive to make their pilots pariahs to the rest of the industry.

10-15-2019, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by A320fumes

Your hands are NOT tied. Back in the 90’s UPS (IPA) won a decision against UPS management over a jumpseat war. The FAA’s position remains the “The Captain has unfettered authority” over who sits in the jumpseat.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/...2012-13290.htm Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

the captain has the unfettered authority to deny the JS (or choose who sits in it assuming multiple people have cleared all other hurdles). I can't put my nephew in the JS because "my captain authority says so" similarly if my FOM says I cannot take someone, then I cannot take them. I am free to deny anyone the JS but I certainly cannot take someone that is not allowed by my FOM( I currently have no plans to leave a jumpseater behind while I have an empty JS, but if my FOM changes then I have no choice)