Looks like the jumpseat order got changed.
10-15-2019, 08:59 AM
#931
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The reason the UAX exclusive airlines aren’t wholly owned by United is because of the UAL FA contract. If they could with out that additional cost trust me they would in a second. But at the same time, don’t get it twisted. United “owns” the UAX exclusive airlines in the sense United Control’s them. Just like Delta controls Endeavor. So please stop with the semantics. United is asking you to sign the same GD agreement as you did with Delta.
10-15-2019, 09:01 AM
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This whole thing is depressing! The Jumpseat Chairman for SKW has put his 5000+ member constituency in an impossible position, and all because of ego. I don’t know if he’s running for Homecoming or Prom King over there. But throughout all my Union volunteering, I have always tried to put my constituents before me. It’s their beliefs that matter.
He is not of that mind and has thrown his pilot group into a situation that they cannot win.
He is not of that mind and has thrown his pilot group into a situation that they cannot win.
10-15-2019, 09:05 AM
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10-15-2019, 09:07 AM
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This whole thing is depressing! The Jumpseat Chairman for SKW has put his 5000+ member constituency in an impossible position, and all because of ego. I don’t know if he’s running for Homecoming or Prom King over there. But throughout all my Union volunteering, I have always tried to put my constituents before me. It’s their beliefs that matter.
He is not of that mind and has thrown his pilot group into a situation that they cannot win.
He is not of that mind and has thrown his pilot group into a situation that they cannot win.
10-15-2019, 09:10 AM
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SAPA literally has ACP’s leading the charge as JS deniers. Absolutely freaking pathetic. Good luck with this war...
10-15-2019, 09:11 AM
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We are but even if successful change doesn’t instantly happen. In the meantime our careers suffer and fellow pilots are inconvenienced.
10-15-2019, 09:13 AM
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While I respect your opinion on the matter, it isn't really semantics. Being wholly owned/majority owned is a big difference in business. If you don't think the difference is important, like I said, I get it. But you need to understand that it is a difference, even if it isn't one you value, and that it isn't the standard. You guys want to push your own, new standard, then by all means do so. But don't paint it as something it isn't, there's enough confusion and misinformation with this whole situation as is.
10-15-2019, 09:13 AM
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I’ve spent nearly five years at SkyWest trying to be noticed by United. As a captain, this is one of the last things I want to deal with. I already deal with plenty at work and this is just another stressor. I had zero intention of denying anyone but now we are being told the FOM will be changed to exclude United and other carriers. What am I supposed to do? Think of the position I put a new hire FO in should I choose to go against the FOM? Until it is changed, I will not be denying anyone from my jumpseat. I want to move everyone where they need to go, and I want no part in denying anyone a flight to or from their families. They’ve put all of us in a very difficult position and to see people threatening all of us because we work at a certain company has my stomach in knots. United is my dream job and like many others, I have poured my soul into this career trying to make it to my career destination.
10-15-2019, 09:14 AM
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Frankly, the lack of information (for those out of context, in this case referring to "UAL personnel" in priority) is indicative of the entire approach UALPA has taken. Don't ask questions, you don't need to know and have zero say, just sit down and shut up and be glad that we've blessed you with our scraps.
If your leadership is pointing out "Approved United Personnel" as some sort of nefarious plot by UALPA to screw you guys over it reflects very poorly on them. I've had a grand total of one "Must Ride" jumpseater in the last five years.
It is a clear foul for a positive space pilot to take a jumpseat precisely because it might cause someone to miss a commute. I regularly see reminders not to do so, but not everyone reads their union email.
10-15-2019, 09:23 AM
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Whether his approach is the right way to go about things or not, I don't think Aric is doing this on behalf of management or anything like that. He's the jumpseat chair as well and is trying to protect the jumpseat priority of the pilots, that's his job. Now, if he's going about it the right way or not, is certainly up for debate.
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