Looks like the jumpseat order got changed.
10-15-2019, 03:23 AM
#861
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Call scheduling and use the commuter policy. Tell them that you are down to your backup and won’t make it if the captain says no. Let them positive space you and smile at the captain when you board knowing that he can’t do a thing. I doubt that it comes to that though. Skywest doesn’t really have a union and my guess is that all but a few lifers ignore any directive from their association. I’m positive space on a Republic flight today. I’m not expecting to be treated any differently than I have in the past.
10-15-2019, 03:34 AM
#862
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Hoping you confirm your people actually participated in the denials. A lot of these pilots were definitely not advocating this and it would be a shame to see them harmed.
Last edited by Cicada; 10-15-2019 at 03:50 AM.
10-15-2019, 03:40 AM
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Filing a PDR with the Jumpseat Committee with the flight number, date, city pair, and the name of the captain (if available) is the best way to deal with any problem. That way only the guilty party is singled out and not the entire group. These names will get to HR and that person will stand little chance of gaining employment with United. Don’t throw out the whole batch, just trash the bad apples.
10-15-2019, 04:01 AM
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October 11, 2019
United / United Express Reciprocal Jumpseat Boarding Priority Update #2
It has been brought to our attention that the pilot representatives at Republic and Skywest (IBT and SAPA) have posted letters via social media to their pilots encouraging them to start denying United pilots the jumpseat. These letters are filled with misleading and inaccurate information. They also claim that the UAL MEC has been officially notified of their upcoming actions. This is patently false. We have not had any communication with IBT since last December or SAPA since last September when they last threatened to disrupt the United operation.
The new UAX/UAL jumpseat boarding priority outlined in Flt Ops Bulletin 19-194 will become effective on October 15. Please see the Oct 9 MEC update re-posted below for more details. These new agreements are the result of multiple LEC and MEC resolutions and the culmination of years of work.
When we began to research this issue, we discovered that documented jumpseat agreements did not exist between United and the UAX airlines. All eight of our UAX carriers were given new reciprocal jumpseat agreements to sign on May 14, 2019. Within 30 days of receiving the agreements, five of these carriers signed. These new agreements align the UAL/UAX jumpseat boarding priority with industry standard agreements at AA/American Eagle and DAL/Delta Connection. We would like to thank the ALPA represenatives at ARW, CMT, TSA, and XJT for their leadership working with us to improve jumpseat benefits.
There are three remaining UAX carriers that have not yet signed: SkyWest, Republic, and Mesa. Due to this failure to sign, these three carriers technically do not have a reciprocal jumpseat agreement with United Airlines. This is contrary to the recent information sent out by the IBT and SAPA. Instead of cutting them off completely, as some believe we should, they were afforded the courtesy of being categorized and prioritized as "other airline."
If and when each of these "non-exclusive" UAX carriers sign the agreement, they will be moved up into a higher boarding priority and join GoJet in the non-exclusive tier. In addition, they would be included in the upcoming UAX electronic check-in/listing and international jumpseating (ICASS) on UAL.
If you are denied a jumpseat at any of the UAX carriers, provide a detailed report via a jumpseat PDR with the carrier, flight number, and date. Include the Captain's name if possible. Please remember to reference the UPA section 21-P Commuter Policy if needed.
As always, please remain professional and respectful. There will be more information forthcoming next week. If you have any questions please file a PDR to the Jumpseat Committee.
United / United Express Reciprocal Jumpseat Boarding Priority Update #2
It has been brought to our attention that the pilot representatives at Republic and Skywest (IBT and SAPA) have posted letters via social media to their pilots encouraging them to start denying United pilots the jumpseat. These letters are filled with misleading and inaccurate information. They also claim that the UAL MEC has been officially notified of their upcoming actions. This is patently false. We have not had any communication with IBT since last December or SAPA since last September when they last threatened to disrupt the United operation.
The new UAX/UAL jumpseat boarding priority outlined in Flt Ops Bulletin 19-194 will become effective on October 15. Please see the Oct 9 MEC update re-posted below for more details. These new agreements are the result of multiple LEC and MEC resolutions and the culmination of years of work.
When we began to research this issue, we discovered that documented jumpseat agreements did not exist between United and the UAX airlines. All eight of our UAX carriers were given new reciprocal jumpseat agreements to sign on May 14, 2019. Within 30 days of receiving the agreements, five of these carriers signed. These new agreements align the UAL/UAX jumpseat boarding priority with industry standard agreements at AA/American Eagle and DAL/Delta Connection. We would like to thank the ALPA represenatives at ARW, CMT, TSA, and XJT for their leadership working with us to improve jumpseat benefits.
There are three remaining UAX carriers that have not yet signed: SkyWest, Republic, and Mesa. Due to this failure to sign, these three carriers technically do not have a reciprocal jumpseat agreement with United Airlines. This is contrary to the recent information sent out by the IBT and SAPA. Instead of cutting them off completely, as some believe we should, they were afforded the courtesy of being categorized and prioritized as "other airline."
If and when each of these "non-exclusive" UAX carriers sign the agreement, they will be moved up into a higher boarding priority and join GoJet in the non-exclusive tier. In addition, they would be included in the upcoming UAX electronic check-in/listing and international jumpseating (ICASS) on UAL.
If you are denied a jumpseat at any of the UAX carriers, provide a detailed report via a jumpseat PDR with the carrier, flight number, and date. Include the Captain's name if possible. Please remember to reference the UPA section 21-P Commuter Policy if needed.
As always, please remain professional and respectful. There will be more information forthcoming next week. If you have any questions please file a PDR to the Jumpseat Committee.
10-15-2019, 04:55 AM
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10-15-2019, 05:03 AM
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Look at the history of airlines and how many of them aren’t flying today. Even massive names you may have dreamed of flying at as a kid.
Then look at the regional whipsaw and the history of massive growth and how amazing things were and then nothing.
Comair comes to mind.
ASA
ExpressJet was once massive
Republic once owned a LCC
Things change, and most of the time, especially at the regionals it is due to an extreme hard stance, resulting in a major disagreement that does not go the way you might hope.
Comair had guys with 20+ years starting over at other regionals
ASA had guys bailing in mass to Kalitta and side stepping to other regionals
ExpressJet was lucky enough to get a CPP at United, but lots of guys didn’t/aren’t making the cut.
Republic sold off Frontier to Indigo Investment Group because of the clash between groups and the inability to integrate RJ guys with LCC guys. Look how few Republic guys ended up at F9. Not to mention the Midwest airlines guys.... or how IBT came in “representing” the new F9 hires and told them they should not be there and that republic pilots should be in those new hire seats. IBT lost that one too.
So take that leverage you OO folks have and look at it real close. Then think of the history in just the last decade of how many other groups held that same leverage handle and where it got them.
And if you want to know something about UAL pilots, it’s that they don’t forget. And they educate. You will still hear of a master list, the history of it, ALPA explaining the history and importance. The lost decade+. I can go on but hopefully my point is made.
Ultimately, denying jumpseats to UAL pilots over a status quo (equal to delta,American) agreement will end very poorly for those involved.
Then look at the regional whipsaw and the history of massive growth and how amazing things were and then nothing.
Comair comes to mind.
ASA
ExpressJet was once massive
Republic once owned a LCC
Things change, and most of the time, especially at the regionals it is due to an extreme hard stance, resulting in a major disagreement that does not go the way you might hope.
Comair had guys with 20+ years starting over at other regionals
ASA had guys bailing in mass to Kalitta and side stepping to other regionals
ExpressJet was lucky enough to get a CPP at United, but lots of guys didn’t/aren’t making the cut.
Republic sold off Frontier to Indigo Investment Group because of the clash between groups and the inability to integrate RJ guys with LCC guys. Look how few Republic guys ended up at F9. Not to mention the Midwest airlines guys.... or how IBT came in “representing” the new F9 hires and told them they should not be there and that republic pilots should be in those new hire seats. IBT lost that one too.
So take that leverage you OO folks have and look at it real close. Then think of the history in just the last decade of how many other groups held that same leverage handle and where it got them.
And if you want to know something about UAL pilots, it’s that they don’t forget. And they educate. You will still hear of a master list, the history of it, ALPA explaining the history and importance. The lost decade+. I can go on but hopefully my point is made.
Ultimately, denying jumpseats to UAL pilots over a status quo (equal to delta,American) agreement will end very poorly for those involved.
10-15-2019, 05:13 AM
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