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Old 10-14-2019, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by UofM
Retaliatory culture isn’t just in the airlines. IT IS EVERYWHERE. Has NOTHING to do with our culture here. It has everything to do with human nature. The desire for revenge is a built in human nature. So if someone feels strongly enough he or she was burned, when the opportunity presents itself revenge or retaliation kicks in. Again human nature. All anyone that points that out is saying is that it is inevitable. Right or wrong is beside the point. You and others that get into a JS war over this have got to understand that there are consequences. One of those consequences in this industry in particular is black balling a pilot from being hired at that said airline. Wrong? Probably. But also human nature. Revenge is a dangerous and ugly thing.
So let’s get to brass tacks here. What is the reason for this Jumpseat issue? Who started it?
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Old 10-14-2019, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Cicada
You need to think about what you said. There are many, many guys at UAL who will go out of their way to burn these jumpseat deniers.
It's a dangerous game. Extremely dangerous. Even if these Skywest and Republic guys get in the door- some ****ed off CKAM quite possibly could hammer them on an initial or probation ride. It's a VERY dangerous game. Play at will. It's out of control. There are definitely people gathering names.
Probably a little less dangerous than the civil liability issues that might be faced should something happen even tangentially related to these threats now on public record.

Of course potential criminal issues if you knowingly allow it, but that's a long shot.

You'll sit on my seat. Threats are not welcome. Its unsafe. And potentially make me liable if I allow them. Knock it off.

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Old 10-14-2019, 04:49 PM
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Old 10-14-2019, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Bo Danville
So let’s get to brass tacks here. What is the reason for this Jumpseat issue? Who started it?
SAPA and IBT.
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Old 10-14-2019, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by N1CEandEZ
To any UAL/UAX pilots. As someone at OO, it is truly a shame to see no update from SAPA as the end of the day nears. There are many pilots here at OO that are frustrated with how SAPA has handled this and many that do not plan to deny the jumpseat starting tomorrow. I called three SAPA reps today individually to express my thoughts and frustration. I understand the anger and frustration directed at our pilot group but please know that SAPA’s words and actions regarding this issue do not represent a great many of us at OO - and yes that’s a problem. I can only hope that for those of you having to commute as long as this ordeal lasts are met with respectful and welcoming crews. You are all welcome on my jumpseat.
Class act. Thanks for the level headed post.
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Old 10-14-2019, 05:02 PM
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Now a UAL pilot cannot ride on anything American Eagle or Delta Connection operated by these clowns. Too far, boys and girls. A lot of people here are going to do their best not to see any of you here.
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Old 10-14-2019, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
Now a UAL pilot cannot ride on anything American Eagle or Delta Connection operated by these clowns. Too far, boys and girls. A lot of people here are going to do their best not to see any of you here.
Yep, they are denying United, XJT, Commutair, Air Wisconsin, and TransStates Pilots on all their flights. It’s really amazing that their people in leadership positions at these carriers that are so stupid.
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Old 10-14-2019, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by CPPfacts
SAPA and IBT.
I’m all ears. How did those two groups start this?
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Old 10-14-2019, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
Now a UAL pilot cannot ride on anything American Eagle or Delta Connection operated by these clowns. Too far, boys and girls. A lot of people here are going to do their best not to see any of you here.
As to my understanding this is not true. Only applies to UAL colors. And yes, I think the above would be wrong and let the appropriate people know that as well
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Old 10-14-2019, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Bo Danville
I’m all ears. How did those two groups start this?
By announcing that they are refusing United, XJT, Commutair, Air Wisconsin, and TransStates Pilots from their jumpseat. Stupid move.
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