Looks like the jumpseat order got changed.
#651
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Burt123, I have a question for you. I decided to read 121.547 as well. For your information, Republic Airlines is the Part 119 certificate holder not anyone or any part of the union. There is a section in place in our FOM documenting that we can in fact carry UA pilots and UAX pilots. The FOM is an approved document between said Part 119 airline and the FAA. Can you point out the page and paragraph in there which prohibits us from carrying UA people? Or can you possibly point to memo detailing this change and when it goes into effect?
Again, the company is the Part 119 certificate holder, not the union. If you’re going to state things as factual on this forum you should probably ensure they’re factual. It remains to be determined if in fact there’s any potential violation to a RP pilot carrying a UA or UAX pilot. I’m comfortable that my interpretation is correct.
It’s not our flying, it’s theirs. We have zero leverage. I see you’re new to RP and probably the airlines. Research Comair and learn how butting heads with the company that ultimately provided them employment worked out for them. I’ll give you a little teaser of information, it wasn’t Comair providing those jobs. The major partners can decide how they prioritize their partners with respect to the jumpseat. The fair thing for us to do is simply reciprocate. As we have done with AA who are now OA on our Eagle flights with no priority over other OA pilots. Denying jump-seats is childish and won’t work. It will only hurt us in the short term and possibly long term.
Happy jump-seating. ; )
Back to my self-imposed hiatus from APC.
Again, the company is the Part 119 certificate holder, not the union. If you’re going to state things as factual on this forum you should probably ensure they’re factual. It remains to be determined if in fact there’s any potential violation to a RP pilot carrying a UA or UAX pilot. I’m comfortable that my interpretation is correct.
It’s not our flying, it’s theirs. We have zero leverage. I see you’re new to RP and probably the airlines. Research Comair and learn how butting heads with the company that ultimately provided them employment worked out for them. I’ll give you a little teaser of information, it wasn’t Comair providing those jobs. The major partners can decide how they prioritize their partners with respect to the jumpseat. The fair thing for us to do is simply reciprocate. As we have done with AA who are now OA on our Eagle flights with no priority over other OA pilots. Denying jump-seats is childish and won’t work. It will only hurt us in the short term and possibly long term.
Happy jump-seating. ; )
Back to my self-imposed hiatus from APC.
#653
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I did 11 years at OO. They must have upped the potency of the kool-aid. You are delusional is you think management would spend a dime on a lawyer.
#654
I had it explained to me by a very nice senior captain at United. This is all tied into negotiations and scope relief. The fifty seaters have to go and more multi class 70/76 have to replace them, everyone realizes this. United MEC is trying to secure the jumpseats as part of the negotiations to allow this.
The regionals that have agreed have most likely been promised opportunities to partake in this. These carriers are "exclusive" as they have no other options. It also benefits UAL to keep the low bidders alive as it keeps top tier bidders in line.
Peace out!
The regionals that have agreed have most likely been promised opportunities to partake in this. These carriers are "exclusive" as they have no other options. It also benefits UAL to keep the low bidders alive as it keeps top tier bidders in line.
Peace out!
#655
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I had it explained to me by a very nice senior captain at United. This is all tied into negotiations and scope relief. The fifty seaters have to go and more multi class 70/76 have to replace them, everyone realizes this. United MEC is trying to secure the jumpseats as part of the negotiations to allow this.
The regionals that have agreed have most likely been promised opportunities to partake in this. These carriers are "exclusive" as they have no other options. It also benefits UAL to keep the low bidders alive as it keeps top tier bidders in line.
Peace out!
The regionals that have agreed have most likely been promised opportunities to partake in this. These carriers are "exclusive" as they have no other options. It also benefits UAL to keep the low bidders alive as it keeps top tier bidders in line.
Peace out!
So the UALMEC is working on negotiating scope relief?
#656
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That is not correct. SA0V and SA0X get ordered by "board date." The most senior person would be first in your scenario.
#657
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This is how it works at Republic. It’s basically seniority based within SA0V and SA0X. I guess his point is that it goes by seniority, so a United employee could bump a UAX, if they’re senior. That’s only for the vacation passes though, so normally UAX own would get the seat.
#658
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Bingo! Basically a C scale. I suspect Aviate is the exact same principle.
#659
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This is how it works at Republic. It’s basically seniority based within SA0V and SA0X. I guess his point is that it goes by seniority, so a United employee could bump a UAX, if they’re senior. That’s only for the vacation passes though, so normally UAX own would get the seat.
#660
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There you have it folks. Scope relief. UALPA and its weak pilot group is going to sell out the regionals once again. Go ahead, give away more jobs and less opportunities for mainline careers. UA pilots are not welcomed in my JS.
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