Looks like the jumpseat order got changed.
10-13-2019, 06:01 PM
#522
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So if ALPA asked you to deny the jumpseat to YX and OO pilots you would do it? How is that different than their pilot groups asking them to deny UA guys and captains blindly following through with it? Just a heads up I'm an OO pilot that isn't going to deny a jumpseater for this.
There are some saying they won’t take any in response to this and the other end of the spectrum are pushing to get interviews for any Skywest or Republic pilots fired for carrying a UAL JSer. Who knows how extreme the response will be.
I can only say for sure that EVERY UAL pilot is aligned in squashing this by any means necessary. The consensus is that the tail has wagged the dog far too long.
10-13-2019, 06:08 PM
#523
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So if ALPA asked you to deny the jumpseat to YX and OO pilots you would do it? How is that different than their pilot groups asking them to deny UA guys and captains blindly following through with it? Just a heads up I'm an OO pilot that isn't going to deny a jumpseater for this.
The major difference is that ALPA will flat out say SKW and RAH is to be denied, they won’t try to scare us by making up some BS FOM excuse to try and scare us into compliance. We also will not be giving you letters explaining to you why we are doing it and asking you to contact your reps like we are idiots. We will tell you to your face at the podium that you are not welcome.
Even though I do not agree with denying a pilot the jump seat the only way to fix the problem is there to be enough blood spilled. Once enough pain is felt this will be over with. Rip the bandaid off now and lets move on. The day ALPA says you are welcome again I will welcome you aboard with a smile regardless of the outcome.
Just to be clear Simpson ALL SKW and RAH pilots are welcome on my JS up until the day ALPA says otherwise. Even if you deny me tomorrow I will welcome you on my next flight.
10-13-2019, 06:10 PM
#524
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So if ALPA asked you to deny the jumpseat to YX and OO pilots you would do it? How is that different than their pilot groups asking them to deny UA guys and captains blindly following through with it? Just a heads up I'm an OO pilot that isn't going to deny a jumpseater for this.
10-13-2019, 06:12 PM
#525
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I don’t plan to deny anyone. I have said this numerous times. I personally don’t expect ALPA to ask us to stoop to that level but everything is on the table atm. I learned in the Navy to never say never.
There are some saying they won’t take any in response to this and the other end of the spectrum are pushing to get interviews for any Skywest or Republic pilots fired for carrying a UAL JSer. Who knows how extreme the response will be.
I can only say for sure that EVERY UAL pilot is aligned in squashing this by any means necessary. The consensus is that the tail has wagged the dog far too long.
There are some saying they won’t take any in response to this and the other end of the spectrum are pushing to get interviews for any Skywest or Republic pilots fired for carrying a UAL JSer. Who knows how extreme the response will be.
I can only say for sure that EVERY UAL pilot is aligned in squashing this by any means necessary. The consensus is that the tail has wagged the dog far too long.
10-13-2019, 06:15 PM
#526
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[QUOTE=MasterOfPuppets;2903974]LCCs expanding is great for competition. More UA regional pilots leaving to fly for your competitors will hurt bargaining power in the future for mainline pilots.
10-13-2019, 06:15 PM
#527
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I’m not going to lie Simpson if ALPA asks me to deny the jump seat I will.....sadly as I don’t think it is right. This action will never affect me as I live in base and will only ever commute on mainline. However I need to support my Brothers and sisters who live in Regional cities.
The major difference is that ALPA will flat out say SKW and RAH is to be denied, they won’t try to scare us by making up some BS FOM excuse to try and scare us into compliance. We also will not be giving you letters explaining to you why we are doing it and asking you to contact your reps like we are idiots. We will tell you to your face at the podium that you are not welcome.
Even though I do not agree with denying a pilot the jump seat the only way to fix the problem is there to be enough blood spilled. Once enough pain is felt this will be over with. Rip the bandaid off now and lets move on. The day ALPA says you are welcome again I will welcome you aboard with a smile regardless of the outcome.
Just to be clear Simpson ALL SKW and RAH pilots are welcome on my JS up until the day ALPA says otherwise. Even if you deny me tomorrow I will welcome you on my next flight.
The major difference is that ALPA will flat out say SKW and RAH is to be denied, they won’t try to scare us by making up some BS FOM excuse to try and scare us into compliance. We also will not be giving you letters explaining to you why we are doing it and asking you to contact your reps like we are idiots. We will tell you to your face at the podium that you are not welcome.
Even though I do not agree with denying a pilot the jump seat the only way to fix the problem is there to be enough blood spilled. Once enough pain is felt this will be over with. Rip the bandaid off now and lets move on. The day ALPA says you are welcome again I will welcome you aboard with a smile regardless of the outcome.
Just to be clear Simpson ALL SKW and RAH pilots are welcome on my JS up until the day ALPA says otherwise. Even if you deny me tomorrow I will welcome you on my next flight.
A jumpseat war should never be participated in. It's pilot on pilot fratricide that only delights management, and the likes of ICUROOK, BURT123, PILOTNICCO.
These types feed off this stuff. They don't belong in this industry.
Last edited by Cicada; 10-13-2019 at 06:27 PM.
10-13-2019, 06:17 PM
#528
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I’m not going to lie Simpson if ALPA asks me to deny the jump seat I will.....sadly as I don’t think it is right. This action will never affect me as I live in base and will only ever commute on mainline. However I need to support my Brothers and sisters who live in Regional cities.
The major difference is that ALPA will flat out say SKW and RAH is to be denied, they won’t try to scare us by making up some BS FOM excuse to try and scare us into compliance. We also will not be giving you letters explaining to you why we are doing it and asking you to contact your reps like we are idiots. We will tell you to your face at the podium that you are not welcome.
Even though I do not agree with denying a pilot the jump seat the only way to fix the problem is there to be enough blood spilled. Once enough pain is felt this will be over with. Rip the bandaid off now and lets move on. The day ALPA says you are welcome again I will welcome you aboard with a smile regardless of the outcome.
Just to be clear Simpson ALL SKW and RAH pilots are welcome on my JS up until the day ALPA says otherwise. Even if you deny me tomorrow I will welcome you on my next flight.
The major difference is that ALPA will flat out say SKW and RAH is to be denied, they won’t try to scare us by making up some BS FOM excuse to try and scare us into compliance. We also will not be giving you letters explaining to you why we are doing it and asking you to contact your reps like we are idiots. We will tell you to your face at the podium that you are not welcome.
Even though I do not agree with denying a pilot the jump seat the only way to fix the problem is there to be enough blood spilled. Once enough pain is felt this will be over with. Rip the bandaid off now and lets move on. The day ALPA says you are welcome again I will welcome you aboard with a smile regardless of the outcome.
Just to be clear Simpson ALL SKW and RAH pilots are welcome on my JS up until the day ALPA says otherwise. Even if you deny me tomorrow I will welcome you on my next flight.
10-13-2019, 06:21 PM
#529
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What’s with all the blame on SkyWest? You chose to work for a failing company and your company is STILL failing. Delays/cancellations constantly. Although this does fit United’s overall operation so that must explain why XJT is a “preferred” carrier. UA LOVES the cheap labor.
10-13-2019, 06:23 PM
#530
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My problem is they went from zero to 1000 in half a second. Like I said you are welcome on my jump seat I’m not denying until I’m told otherwise.
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