sleeves

It is really not gonna be that hard. If we fly 100 seaters we only need 1/2 the pilots for the same amount of seats. One of the selling points to the original 50 RJ was more flights. The airlines told the business travelers they would get more choices in flights. It’s ironic because now many of those same business travelers avoid RJ’s like the plague, but the airlines like them because you guys work for scraps and have zero work rules.

DashTrash

They do on their wholly owned. At least that was the way it was when I was at Compass. For the wholly owned, the jumpseat priority was:

Own carrier
Delta Pilot
DCI Pilot
Off line

Our AVIATE airlines = Delta’s wholly owned

RJRUS

Hahaha and you’re gonna give up your comfy 737 to fly 6 legs back and forth from Denver to Wyoming in a CRJ with a broken APU? Sorry but you’re wrong. The flying cannot be brought in house overnight. Maybe over a span of years. Sure. Will it happen? No.

Bhramafear

Are you even a pilot???? Everyone knows that comfy and 737 never go in the same sentence.

RJRUS

Hahah. Fair

Bravix

AVIATE airlines are not the same as wholly owned airlines.

I have zero issue with the following priority:

1. Own metal
2. Same majority owners metal
3. Mainline and express carriers
4. OAL

This is vastly different than what was commanded by UALPA.

Also, United isn't a majority owner. Unless I've missed something, they've been purposely avoiding that because of union policies that would come into effect if they were.

The priority dictated is actually as follows:

1. Own metal
2. Mainline (how convenient you guys keep leaving this part out of your argument. Straight power play there.)
3. UAX Exclusive (not majority owned, so not wholly owned, unless something has changed)
4. UAX Non-Exlusive
5. OAL

Of significant note, a Delta pilot would only get priority on, for example, an Endeavor jumpseat. Because wholly owned. That makes sense. But on a SkyWest flight, Delta is ranked the same as all Connection carriers, by TOC.

Whoever has told you guys that your new priority list is the same as Delta and American's systems, is either mistaken or purposely misleading you.

UALinIAH

Therein lies your inability to understand. UAL considers our exclusive partners to be on par with WOs. Both report to their major and don’t have obligations to others). So it is the exact same to the UALMEC.

Burt123

United doesn’t have any wholly owned and will never until your FA contract gets amended. ‘AVIATE’ does not equal “WO.” Mesa is part of ‘AVIATE,’ case and point.

Now that we got that cleared up, how does UA’s and DL’s jumpseat agreements compare again? UALPA is DEMANDING (closed door/no discussions whatsoever) that UA and UAX ‘Preferred’ carriers gain higher priority across the ENTIRE UAX feed. No comparison.

UALinIAH

WO=Exclusive for the UALMEC.

Not preferred. Not Aviate. Read the document.

It’s that simple.

Bravix

You can "consider" them all you want. They aren't. There is zero precedent for what you are doing, so stop being dishonest about the situation. If you guys want to start some new trend, or just want to do it your own way, then by all means. But say what you're doing and stop hiding behind false pretense. This is not "just like Delta and American". This is a power grab by UALPA for their own benefit at the expense of others. Which is really unfortunate, because the United pilots I've spoken to and hand in the jumpseat never seemed like people who could care less about the guys still in the regionals.

Back on topic, even if they were wholly owned, as I said (and you conveniently ignored), your new priority system is nothing like Delta's priority system. Stop saying it is.