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Old 10-12-2019, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ICUROOK
I'd be more worried going into a mainline interview trying to explain away why I unilaterally went against my Union and pilot group then explaining away why I turned down the jumpseat to some United pilot who makes $500K a year.
What makes you think you'd even be in the room?

Despite the "pilot shortage" there's plenty of apps on file at UAL after excluding Skywest and Republic.
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Old 10-12-2019, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
You may not want to accept it but this is exactly what our union asked us to do.
This is not what your union has asked you to do: "I'd make every effort to get their names and send into pilot recruiting so they wouldn't get hired."
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Originally Posted by Cicada
If some Republic pilot denied me the jumpseat and gave me that letter, I'd make every effort to get their names and send into pilot recruiting so they wouldn't get hired.


Yeah don’t hire the guys that follow their Unions direction instruction for protest. Hire the other ones that’ll go well! /s/
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Originally Posted by CousinEddie
I agree with you in terms of using names to hurt anyone’s future at this point. However, a list needs to be kept with ALPA via our PDR system that we can access. That way, we can crosscheck the list with who is scheduled to fly a flight we plan to commute on and make alternate arrangements well ahead of time if necessary. It can just be a planning tool. Fair enough?
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Old 10-12-2019, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by cadetdrivr
What makes you think you'd even be in the room?

Despite the "pilot shortage" there's plenty of apps on file at UAL after excluding Skywest and Republic.
I guess Union busters are the type of pilots United likes to go after. So telling.
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Old 10-12-2019, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by vessbot
This is not what your union has asked you to do: "I'd make every effort to get their names and send into pilot recruiting so they wouldn't get hired."
Huh I didn’t realize that’s what I said.
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Old 10-12-2019, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by majkjohn
Wow, the mis-information and flawed logic in this letter is incredible.

They have been working on this for years, so not out of the blue.

The logic (it is in violation of the fom);
A united pilot jumpseating on a delta flight is not a violation of the fom.

Well, we will pull a different excuse out of our ass.

Skywest technically never had a written agreement with the merged "United airlines." Skywest and Republic were asked to actually sign one and refused. This is on your jumpseat committee.

Please, would someone show me the signed jumpseat agreement with United Airlines (post merger). That seems to be the sticking point, but I have yet to see the official agreement.

What legal obligation do Skywest pilots have to a non-union pilot organization?

The jumpseat order United is asking for is the same as Delta, and American (and way better for you than Alaska).
Why not kick them off your jumpseat too?

I have always enjoyed the company and hospitality of Skywest and Republic pilots on their jumpseat.
I hope cooler heads prevail.
I agree with you and definitely think the cooler heads need to prevail. I am unsure though, does anyone know if the merger has any bearing on the old agreement? At face value I just don’t see how a merger nulls a written agreement.
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Old 10-12-2019, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by savedbythevnav
I agree with you and definitely think the cooler heads need to prevail. I am unsure though, does anyone know if the merger has any bearing on the old agreement? At face value I just don’t see how a merger nulls a written agreement.
It doesn’t really matter because it states the agreement can be cancelled with 30 days notice. It’s been over 30 days since May.
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Old 10-12-2019, 12:58 PM
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It’s funny you all think everyone wants to go to United.
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Old 10-12-2019, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by airlinepilot50
If I ever hear from a mainline pilot that they secretly turned a name to pilot recruitment, they will be reported too. I’ll listen carefully to every word they say. I’ll note any unprofessional behavior and contact their chief pilot and HR department. It’s easy to bait pilots into saying inappropriate things. I highly disrespect pilots trying to threaten other pilot careers over a minor dispute over a jumpseat access.
No reason for it to be a secret. We can recommend pilots and we can also forward names of pilots we believe would be detrimental. There would be no reason the threaten you at all. In fact I doubt you’d ever be advised one way or another. I don’t think you understand how things work at UAL. You can “report” whatever you’d like. My CPO wouldn’t even raise this issue with me. Your report would find the junk file quickly but your name would make the appropriate rounds.

Maybe you really want to work at SWA or FDX. No big deal then, you gotta do what you gotta do...Either way, it won’t get me in any hot water. Recommending pilots and the opposite are expected behaviors.
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