Looks like the jumpseat order got changed.
#1351
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LOL WHAT?
I don't see a loss on the UA side at all. Changing "approved united personnel" to "must ride employees" is a point of clarification as United never intended for that to be pilots jumping the ladder. The original tables posted had UA on the same priority as UAX by TOC for non exclusive. So I fail to see what you are even trying to argue.
I don't see a loss on the UA side at all. Changing "approved united personnel" to "must ride employees" is a point of clarification as United never intended for that to be pilots jumping the ladder. The original tables posted had UA on the same priority as UAX by TOC for non exclusive. So I fail to see what you are even trying to argue.
#1353
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The company (UA) wants scope relief and it sure looks like that is going to happen. You don’t see that happening at AA or DL, the exact opposite actually. UA is so cheap it’s disgusting. My money is on UALPA giving in to those demands. It’s not gonna be in the favor of the majority of the mainline group, but it will be in favor of the guys at the top and that’s all they care for.
As far as flying being “shifted.” What assets do you speak of? YX/OO own all their aircraft. If UA wants to rely on the exclusive carriers, let me remind you we’re talking about AirWisconsin, CommuteAir, ExpressJet and TSA, you probably should start looking for another job because their track records will bankrupt the company.
As far as flying being “shifted.” What assets do you speak of? YX/OO own all their aircraft. If UA wants to rely on the exclusive carriers, let me remind you we’re talking about AirWisconsin, CommuteAir, ExpressJet and TSA, you probably should start looking for another job because their track records will bankrupt the company.
#1354
“Today an agreement in principle was reached that will put an end to the current acrimony regarding the jump seat on United and United Express Carriers. Although it is not generally common practice to publish signed jump seat agreements with individual carriers, due to this very public dispute, we will do so as soon as a final agreement is in place. The Local 357 Executive Board and Jump Seat Committee would like to thank you once again for your support and solidarity during this process.
Below is a very brief outline of the priority tables that will be used to determine flight deck access for each of the Carriers. Knowing that much like when a TA is announced and everyone skips ahead to compensation tables, I encourage you to return here after peeking below for a more fulsome explanation of how we came to this agreement.
The complexities of this negotiation cannot be understated. Nine Carriers and their management teams are either directly, or tangentially affected by this agreement. I’m proud to say that Local 357 and SAPA, with the support of Republic and SkyWest Management took the strongest stand against what had first been offered, and then when we refused to be a party to it, was unilaterally imposed on us. We would like to thank the MAG-MEC (Mesa) for joining us to the extent that they could, limited by their membership in ALPA.
This final agreement closely mirrors the priority we have in place within the Delta system, and what we
expect to be the case shortly with American. We say closely because of the unique relationship United
has with some of its partners in lieu of the wholly-owned structure at American and Delta. Prior to
October 15th, in all previous iterations passed to us we were required to allow UAL pilots either first
priority over all other UAX Carriers, or to be relegated to a status on par with all other airlines (OAL
category). This agreement does not allow that. At the end of the day our unwavering stance was that
we would not be party to an agreement that removed our ability to set the priority on OUR aircraft. If
other carriers are willing to concede that priority they have as much right to do so as our right to firmly
say no. The priority tables below will show that the “UAX-Exclusive” Carriers have chosen to do so. It is
unfortunate that we will never know if that would have been the case if they had chosen to proudly
stand with us. For clarification UAX-Exclusive Carriers are those who have within their CPA the ability to
only fly for United. These Carriers are ExpressJet, CommutAir, TSA and Air Wisconsin. Republic is
considered a Non-Exclusive UAX Carrier, along with SkyWest, Mesa and GoJets. In this agreement,
United and its Exclusive-UAX Carriers are treated in the same manner that (Delta/Endeavor) and
(American/Piedmont/PSA/Envoy) are treated within their respective systems. While we don’t
necessarily believe that Exclusive-UAX Carriers should be afforded the same classification as wholly-
owned Carriers, this is a concession we needed to make to align all our codeshare relationships with
respect to jump seat priority. Typical with any negotiation, both sides had to move closer to a middle
ground. Our partners at SkyWest and Mesa agree, especially considering that American has committed
to moving not just Republic, but all non wholly-owned Carriers flying their brand into a new tier above
OAL to align with Delta. It is also important to note that the tier we are in consists of approximately
60% of all UAX flights.
We have received confirmation from UAL/UALPA that no management action will be taken against our pilot group or anyone who participated. As stated before, this was simply a bullying tactic employed by a select few.
Effectively immediately we will welcome our guests from UAL and UAX in the following priority order on our aircraft, and can be expected to be accommodated on their aircraft as follows:
In Unity,
Local 357 Executive Board and Jumpseat Committee “
Below is a very brief outline of the priority tables that will be used to determine flight deck access for each of the Carriers. Knowing that much like when a TA is announced and everyone skips ahead to compensation tables, I encourage you to return here after peeking below for a more fulsome explanation of how we came to this agreement.
The complexities of this negotiation cannot be understated. Nine Carriers and their management teams are either directly, or tangentially affected by this agreement. I’m proud to say that Local 357 and SAPA, with the support of Republic and SkyWest Management took the strongest stand against what had first been offered, and then when we refused to be a party to it, was unilaterally imposed on us. We would like to thank the MAG-MEC (Mesa) for joining us to the extent that they could, limited by their membership in ALPA.
This final agreement closely mirrors the priority we have in place within the Delta system, and what we
expect to be the case shortly with American. We say closely because of the unique relationship United
has with some of its partners in lieu of the wholly-owned structure at American and Delta. Prior to
October 15th, in all previous iterations passed to us we were required to allow UAL pilots either first
priority over all other UAX Carriers, or to be relegated to a status on par with all other airlines (OAL
category). This agreement does not allow that. At the end of the day our unwavering stance was that
we would not be party to an agreement that removed our ability to set the priority on OUR aircraft. If
other carriers are willing to concede that priority they have as much right to do so as our right to firmly
say no. The priority tables below will show that the “UAX-Exclusive” Carriers have chosen to do so. It is
unfortunate that we will never know if that would have been the case if they had chosen to proudly
stand with us. For clarification UAX-Exclusive Carriers are those who have within their CPA the ability to
only fly for United. These Carriers are ExpressJet, CommutAir, TSA and Air Wisconsin. Republic is
considered a Non-Exclusive UAX Carrier, along with SkyWest, Mesa and GoJets. In this agreement,
United and its Exclusive-UAX Carriers are treated in the same manner that (Delta/Endeavor) and
(American/Piedmont/PSA/Envoy) are treated within their respective systems. While we don’t
necessarily believe that Exclusive-UAX Carriers should be afforded the same classification as wholly-
owned Carriers, this is a concession we needed to make to align all our codeshare relationships with
respect to jump seat priority. Typical with any negotiation, both sides had to move closer to a middle
ground. Our partners at SkyWest and Mesa agree, especially considering that American has committed
to moving not just Republic, but all non wholly-owned Carriers flying their brand into a new tier above
OAL to align with Delta. It is also important to note that the tier we are in consists of approximately
60% of all UAX flights.
We have received confirmation from UAL/UALPA that no management action will be taken against our pilot group or anyone who participated. As stated before, this was simply a bullying tactic employed by a select few.
Effectively immediately we will welcome our guests from UAL and UAX in the following priority order on our aircraft, and can be expected to be accommodated on their aircraft as follows:
In Unity,
Local 357 Executive Board and Jumpseat Committee “
#1355
I didn't bother looking up Republic, but presume it's similar.
There is no advantage to a major airline maintaining several express/connection carriers unless they can play them off each other.
Which is pretty much the whole point, btw.
#1358
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UAL/UAX-exclusive not getting priority on non exclusive carriers. That’s what UALMEC was demanding. They tried this in the past and lost to ALL UAX carriers. This time UA makes this ‘AVIATE’ program to essentially divide and conquer the UAX feed by tying the exclusive carriers hands and giving in to UAL.
#1359
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Joined APC: Feb 2019
Posts: 327
FWIW, if either DAL or UAL terminate their agreement with Skywest they have the contractural right to force Skywest to sell them the associated assets. (source: Skywest 2018 Annual Report)
I didn't bother looking up Republic, but presume it's similar.
There is no advantage to a major airline maintaining several express/connection carriers unless they can play them off each other.
Which is pretty much the whole point, btw.
I didn't bother looking up Republic, but presume it's similar.
There is no advantage to a major airline maintaining several express/connection carriers unless they can play them off each other.
Which is pretty much the whole point, btw.
#1360
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Joined APC: Feb 2019
Posts: 327
That WAS in the original agreement that was forced upon. Here we are again, someone is lying. It’s either ALPA or it’s THREE (IBT/SAPA/MESA) representations combined... you believe whichever end you want, but the jury would side with the party of 3 vs 1.
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