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Old 10-18-2019, 12:40 PM
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When someone gets it figured out , can you explain in easy 3rd grade detail what it was before and what changed. I do commute but thank sweet baby Jesus not on a an RJ. So not too familiar with it .
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Old 10-18-2019, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Burt123
UAL/UAX-exclusive not getting priority on non exclusive carriers. That’s what UALMEC was demanding. They tried this in the past and lost to ALL UAX carriers. This time UA makes this ‘AVIATE’ program to essentially divide and conquer the UAX feed by tying the exclusive carriers hands and giving in to UAL.
The non exclusive table posted was what was proposed to skywest. Not sure what lies SAPA has been feeding you.
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Originally Posted by Burt123
UAL/UAX-exclusive not getting priority on non exclusive carriers. That’s what UALMEC was demanding. They tried this in the past and lost to ALL UAX carriers. This time UA makes this ‘AVIATE’ program to essentially divide and conquer the UAX feed by tying the exclusive carriers hands and giving in to UAL.
No, I mean from the original proposal that started the war, what did you accomplish that was a win?
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Old 10-18-2019, 12:46 PM
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When someone gets it figured out , can you explain in easy 3rd grade detail what it was before and what changed. I do commute but thank sweet baby Jesus not on a an RJ. So not too familiar with it .
Changed “Approved United Personnel” to “Must Ride Employees (Carrier Specific)” on line one. Only change.
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Old 10-18-2019, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Burt123
UAL/UAX-exclusive not getting priority on non exclusive carriers. That’s what UALMEC was demanding. They tried this in the past and lost to ALL UAX carriers. This time UA makes this ‘AVIATE’ program to essentially divide and conquer the UAX feed by tying the exclusive carriers hands and giving in to UAL.
Incorrect, UA/UAX never had priority on non-exclusive carriers in the original agreement, which I posted multiple times above.
No priority in order, no priority in date of hire. It's the same UA/UAX TOC as always.
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Old 10-18-2019, 12:53 PM
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Now back to your regular scheduled bickering and complaining.
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Old 10-18-2019, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Burt123
Technically more of a loss with UAL guys that use UAX to commute considering YXOOYV make up 70 percent of that lift. They’ll have to engage in a TOC battle with everyone else.
That percentage could increase or decrease over the next couple of years. The company seems to want to invest in the exclusive airlines, so my guess is that assets will be shifted that way and flying transferred as contracts expire. In another 5 years time, I expect the existing 70/76 seat jets to cover much of what the 50 seat jets do now, the vast majority of the 50 seaters turned into beer cans, and mainline doing the rest with larger aircraft. The combination of scope limits and airport slot restrictions do not paint a pretty picture for the 50 seat jets.
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Old 10-18-2019, 01:07 PM
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Nothing official has been released... everyone just shut up for the time being.
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Old 10-18-2019, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Itsajob
That percentage could increase or decrease over the next couple of years. The company seems to want to invest in the exclusive airlines, so my guess is that assets will be shifted that way and flying transferred as contracts expire. In another 5 years time, I expect the existing 70/76 seat jets to cover much of what the 50 seat jets do now, the vast majority of the 50 seaters turned into beer cans, and mainline doing the rest with larger aircraft. The combination of scope limits and airport slot restrictions do not paint a pretty picture for the 50 seat jets.
The company (UA) wants scope relief and it sure looks like that is going to happen. You don’t see that happening at AA or DL, the exact opposite actually. UA is so cheap it’s disgusting. My money is on UALPA giving in to those demands. It’s not gonna be in the favor of the majority of the mainline group, but it will be in favor of the guys at the top and that’s all they care for.

As far as flying being “shifted.” What assets do you speak of? YX/OO own all their aircraft. If UA wants to rely on the exclusive carriers, let me remind you we’re talking about AirWisconsin, CommuteAir, ExpressJet and TSA, you probably should start looking for another job because their track records will bankrupt the company.
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Old 10-18-2019, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Burt123
The company (UA) wants scope relief and it sure looks like that is going to happen. You don’t see that happening at AA or DL, the exact opposite actually. UA is so cheap it’s disgusting. My money is on UALPA giving in to those demands. It’s not gonna be in the favor of the majority of the mainline group, but it will be in favor of the guys at the top and that’s all they care for.

As far as flying being “shifted.” What assets do you speak of? YX/OO own all their aircraft. If UA wants to rely on the exclusive carriers, let me remind you we’re talking about AirWisconsin, CommuteAir, ExpressJet and TSA, you probably should start looking for another job because their track records will bankrupt the company.
They won't replace the flying overnight. You must have a short memory. It was just a few years ago that Republic had to file for bankruptcy because they couldn't staff all their flying.
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