Looks like the jumpseat order got changed.
10-16-2019, 10:22 AM
#1121
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: Sleeping in the black swan’s nest.
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These guys are distributing a letter full of false (made up) information on an “official” looking letterhead. From an “association” that has all the validity and influence of a three year old in a pair of Spider-Man undies.
Looks like an official Spider-Man, acts like it’s got super powers, but we all know the deal.
My guess is that some of these 5%’ers are going to be looking for a corporate job soon. You know the type. Those guys who sit around an FBO waiting for the boss talking scat about airline pilots and how they are just too skilled and crafty to ever “want” to fly for airline. They always “forget” the part of the story where they got fired or had multiple DUI’s or whatever.
There’s an outfit in Artesia NM looking for a corporate E Jet captain right now. Just a heads up for when the inevitable happens.
Last edited by Airhoss; 10-16-2019 at 10:41 AM.
10-16-2019, 10:42 AM
#1122
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Joined APC: Aug 2019
Posts: 448
October 15, 2019
United / United Express Reciprocal Jumpseat Boarding Priority Update #3
The new UAX/UAL jumpseat boarding priority outlined in Flt Ops Bulletin 19-194 became effective today. Please see the October 9 and October 11 MEC updates reposted below for more details and the new boarding priority charts. These new agreements are the result of multiple LEC and MEC resolutions and the culmination of years of work. We have fixed a long-ignored error to better align our jumpseat priorities with industry standards.
In a series of petulant communications that disregard the facts, pilot representatives at Republic and SkyWest (IBT and SAPA) have encouraged their pilots to start denying United pilots the jumpseat. These letters are filled with misleading and inaccurate information intended to harm pilots and operations at both UA and UAX. ALPA and UA management are tracking these denials for action.
Sadly, this misguided effort by IBT and SAPA has resulted in a small handful of United pilots being denied the jumpseat. In our profession, pilots support pilots, and we have no patience for this type of anti-pilot behavior. These new agreements limit the ability of SkyWest and Republic pilots to continue taking unfair advantage of the jumpseat system, as they have for years.
At this time, we ask that everyone take the high road. For now, if you have the opportunity, educate these misguided individuals on how to be a professional union pilot. Prematurely reacting would be counterproductive to the tremendous amount of work being done by the United MEC. Although one denied pilot is too many, the fact remains that an extremely small number of pilots are being affected by this ill-conceived campaign. Based on the messaging we have directly received from their pilots, an overwhelming majority of pilots at Republic and SkyWest do not support their leadership on this issue.
Pilots should be aware of these facts:
The jumpseat agreements are between the carriers: United management and the respective UAX carrier management. The unions, or pilot representatives in the case of SkyWest, are not signatories to the agreements.
On May 14, 2019 United management delivered the new agreements to the UAX carriers. By June 14, five of the eight carriers had signed.
The United MEC Jumpseat Committee and MEC Officers have repeatedly discussed these agreements with the UAX ALPA MEC leadership, SAPA, and IBT for nearly two years. Contrary to misinformation being circulated online, we never advocated that a jumpseater be bumped off their own airline. Instead, we have sought a fair and equitable solution for everyone that no longer disadvantages United pilots and more fairly benefits those pilots who are fully part of the United family.
Contrary to SAPA and IBT misinformation, it is NOT a violation of the FARs to have a United pilot ride in a SkyWest or Republic jumpseat.
Although Mesa has not signed an agreement with United, they are not participating in the Republic and SkyWest actions.
Jumpseat Denials
If you are denied a jumpseat at any of the UAX carriers, provide a detailed report via a jumpseat PDR with the carrier, flight number, and date. Based on the low number of reported jumpseat denials to date, the majority of SkyWest and Republic Captains are still welcoming United pilots and not following the foolish advice they have been given. Denying a United or UAX-exclusive pilot the jumpseat would be an extremely poor decision made by a misinformed and shortsighted pilot.
If you have trouble getting to work, please call your CPO or the FODM for help. As always, please remain professional and respectful. Reference the UPA section 21-P Commuter Policy if needed.
If you successfully jumpseat on SkyWest or Republic, thank the Captain for their professionalism and please PDR it with the carrier, flight number, date, and Captain's name as well.
United Pilots Remain on the High Road
All UAX pilots seeking your jumpseat should be handled in accordance with the new priorities listed below (also found in bulletin 19-194). Take this opportunity to educate them on the facts, and mentor them on the long-term detrimental impact of pitting pilot-against-pilot. By remaining professional and exercising Captain's Authority, we reinforce the value of secure and fair access to all jumpseats.
If you have any questions, please file a PDR to the Jumpseat Committee.
United / United Express Reciprocal Jumpseat Boarding Priority Update #3
The new UAX/UAL jumpseat boarding priority outlined in Flt Ops Bulletin 19-194 became effective today. Please see the October 9 and October 11 MEC updates reposted below for more details and the new boarding priority charts. These new agreements are the result of multiple LEC and MEC resolutions and the culmination of years of work. We have fixed a long-ignored error to better align our jumpseat priorities with industry standards.
In a series of petulant communications that disregard the facts, pilot representatives at Republic and SkyWest (IBT and SAPA) have encouraged their pilots to start denying United pilots the jumpseat. These letters are filled with misleading and inaccurate information intended to harm pilots and operations at both UA and UAX. ALPA and UA management are tracking these denials for action.
Sadly, this misguided effort by IBT and SAPA has resulted in a small handful of United pilots being denied the jumpseat. In our profession, pilots support pilots, and we have no patience for this type of anti-pilot behavior. These new agreements limit the ability of SkyWest and Republic pilots to continue taking unfair advantage of the jumpseat system, as they have for years.
At this time, we ask that everyone take the high road. For now, if you have the opportunity, educate these misguided individuals on how to be a professional union pilot. Prematurely reacting would be counterproductive to the tremendous amount of work being done by the United MEC. Although one denied pilot is too many, the fact remains that an extremely small number of pilots are being affected by this ill-conceived campaign. Based on the messaging we have directly received from their pilots, an overwhelming majority of pilots at Republic and SkyWest do not support their leadership on this issue.
Pilots should be aware of these facts:
The jumpseat agreements are between the carriers: United management and the respective UAX carrier management. The unions, or pilot representatives in the case of SkyWest, are not signatories to the agreements.
On May 14, 2019 United management delivered the new agreements to the UAX carriers. By June 14, five of the eight carriers had signed.
The United MEC Jumpseat Committee and MEC Officers have repeatedly discussed these agreements with the UAX ALPA MEC leadership, SAPA, and IBT for nearly two years. Contrary to misinformation being circulated online, we never advocated that a jumpseater be bumped off their own airline. Instead, we have sought a fair and equitable solution for everyone that no longer disadvantages United pilots and more fairly benefits those pilots who are fully part of the United family.
Contrary to SAPA and IBT misinformation, it is NOT a violation of the FARs to have a United pilot ride in a SkyWest or Republic jumpseat.
Although Mesa has not signed an agreement with United, they are not participating in the Republic and SkyWest actions.
Jumpseat Denials
If you are denied a jumpseat at any of the UAX carriers, provide a detailed report via a jumpseat PDR with the carrier, flight number, and date. Based on the low number of reported jumpseat denials to date, the majority of SkyWest and Republic Captains are still welcoming United pilots and not following the foolish advice they have been given. Denying a United or UAX-exclusive pilot the jumpseat would be an extremely poor decision made by a misinformed and shortsighted pilot.
If you have trouble getting to work, please call your CPO or the FODM for help. As always, please remain professional and respectful. Reference the UPA section 21-P Commuter Policy if needed.
If you successfully jumpseat on SkyWest or Republic, thank the Captain for their professionalism and please PDR it with the carrier, flight number, date, and Captain's name as well.
United Pilots Remain on the High Road
All UAX pilots seeking your jumpseat should be handled in accordance with the new priorities listed below (also found in bulletin 19-194). Take this opportunity to educate them on the facts, and mentor them on the long-term detrimental impact of pitting pilot-against-pilot. By remaining professional and exercising Captain's Authority, we reinforce the value of secure and fair access to all jumpseats.
If you have any questions, please file a PDR to the Jumpseat Committee.
10-16-2019, 10:47 AM
#1123
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Joined APC: May 2009
Posts: 1,871
Poorly written, horrible grammar, full of emotion and errors. This wasn't written by UAL management, it was written by some FO who has never written a professional letter in his/her life. Thanks for posting, at least now we know the childish mindset we are dealing with.
10-16-2019, 10:51 AM
#1124
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Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,633
Poorly written, horrible grammar, full of emotion and errors. This wasn't written by UAL management, it was written by some FO who has never written a professional letter in his/her life. Thanks for posting, at least now we know the childish mindset we are dealing with.
10-16-2019, 10:55 AM
#1125
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: guppy CA
Posts: 5,171
"mere" should be "more"
"Giving him the Heismann" = stiff arming... e.g. preventing action on this issue.
"JS chairs'" should be "JS chair's". Singular possessive for the apostrophe.
"MO" is "modus operandi", which is a usual way of operating or doing something.
Hope that helps.
"Giving him the Heismann" = stiff arming... e.g. preventing action on this issue.
"JS chairs'" should be "JS chair's". Singular possessive for the apostrophe.
"MO" is "modus operandi", which is a usual way of operating or doing something.
Hope that helps.
JS Chairs' was plural, so it's correct. Both SkyWest and Republic. Ref GK's Open Letter.
The post was supposed to read,
Stop with the 'unilateral' BS. UA ALPA jumpseat chair has tried to close this abusive loophole for mere than a decade with Skywest and at least half a decade with Republic. Giving him the Heismann has been your JS chairs' MO.
Personally, I think that non-exclusive should be with OAL on all metal they don't own.
Personally, I think that non-exclusive should be with OAL on all metal they don't own.
There was nothing unilateral about this action. United ALPA tried for years to get SkyWest and Republic to accept jumpseat changes where non-exclusive carriers would be given status above OALs but below UAL/exclusive carriers. Again, I think that non-exclusive carriers should be given equal status as OALs on metal that is not their own.
10-16-2019, 11:05 AM
#1126
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Joined APC: Aug 2019
Posts: 448
1. It is not a typo
2. It is not a "professional" letter going out to "professional" pilots. It's a freaken screenname on a message board. Now I know this message board is your life but to other people it is just an internet message board.
2. It is not a "professional" letter going out to "professional" pilots. It's a freaken screenname on a message board. Now I know this message board is your life but to other people it is just an internet message board.
10-16-2019, 11:41 AM
#1130
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Joined APC: Nov 2010
Posts: 1,785
Poorly written, horrible grammar, full of emotion and errors. This wasn't written by UAL management, it was written by some FO who has never written a professional letter in his/her life. Thanks for posting, at least now we know the childish mindset we are dealing with.
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