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10-06-2019, 07:13 PM
#72
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United wants bigger, heavier so called regional aircraft not flown by your pilot group. This is a big part of the legacy business model, it’s what your union spends the most money fighting against. United knows they lose money if you were to fly these frames, and your union spends money fighting them from allowing these frames to be flown at a profit. ALPA is helping you vote yourself out of a job, just as the automakers have. To much overhead. The whipsaw must continue if you want to keep the pay checks you have.
10-06-2019, 07:34 PM
#73
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They will not lose money if we fly them. They will earn LESS if we fly them than if you fly them, but they won't lose money. Ultimately that's their problem, not ours. They sell the seats at the price they set. Today's load factors give them astonishing pricing power. But one thing is for sure - we will certainly lose jobs if you fly them. Management has a proven track record for that. They don't like widgets. And when the economy hiccups, we'll likely lose even more.
Why would anyone expect us to feel any other way about scope? We lost the first scope battle. We're determined not to lose the next.
Why would anyone expect us to feel any other way about scope? We lost the first scope battle. We're determined not to lose the next.
10-06-2019, 07:57 PM
#74
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United wants bigger, heavier so called regional aircraft not flown by your pilot group. This is a big part of the legacy business model, it’s what your union spends the most money fighting against. United knows they lose money if you were to fly these frames, and your union spends money fighting them from allowing these frames to be flown at a profit. ALPA is helping you vote yourself out of a job, just as the automakers have. To much overhead. The whipsaw must continue if you want to keep the pay checks you have.
10-06-2019, 08:03 PM
#75
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They will not lose money if we fly them. They will earn LESS if we fly them than if you fly them, but they won't lose money. Ultimately that's their problem, not ours. They sell the seats at the price they set. Today's load factors give them astonishing pricing power. But one thing is for sure - we will certainly lose jobs if you fly them. Management has a proven track record for that. They don't like widgets. And when the economy hiccups, we'll likely lose even more.
Why would anyone expect us to feel any other way about scope? We lost the first scope battle. We're determined not to lose the next.
Why would anyone expect us to feel any other way about scope? We lost the first scope battle. We're determined not to lose the next.
10-07-2019, 07:38 AM
#76
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How much does it cost us in good will, and up front costs when an RJ cancels and UAL has to put everyone up in a hotel? Return customers? Priceless.
10-07-2019, 08:12 AM
#77
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I agree 100%. The company has the financial wherewithal to operate the next-gen (E190 and UP....hell even the E175) if they choose to. Yes, it would cost a bit more considering our pay scales and BC fund, contact goodies etc but I have to assume that it wouldn't break the bank by any stretch. And when you include the items you mention, the gap must certainly narrow, and perhaps considerably. At some point, they need to consider the value of the brand and the service received by the pax. Brand loyalty is paramount and companies like Apple have proven that customers are willing to pay for top-shelf goodies and service. Not everyone drives a Yugo.
10-07-2019, 08:25 AM
#78
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I agree 100%. The company has the financial wherewithal to operate the next-gen (E190 and UP....hell even the E175) if they choose to. Yes, it would cost a bit more considering our pay scales and BC fund, contact goodies etc but I have to assume that it wouldn't break the bank by any stretch. And when you include the items you mention, the gap must certainly narrow, and perhaps considerably. At some point, they need to consider the value of the brand and the service received by the pax. Brand loyalty is paramount and companies like Apple have proven that customers are willing to pay for top-shelf goodies and service. Not everyone drives a Yugo.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/busin...529-story.html
10-07-2019, 08:31 AM
#79
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I agree 100%. The company has the financial wherewithal to operate the next-gen (E190 and UP....hell even the E175) if they choose to. Yes, it would cost a bit more considering our pay scales and BC fund, contact goodies etc but I have to assume that it wouldn't break the bank by any stretch. And when you include the items you mention, the gap must certainly narrow, and perhaps considerably. At some point, they need to consider the value of the brand and the service received by the pax. Brand loyalty is paramount and companies like Apple have proven that customers are willing to pay for top-shelf goodies and service. Not everyone drives a Yugo.
10-07-2019, 08:42 AM
#80
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Are you somehow implying that United is a brand and service customers love? Man, some of you better familiarize yourself with the customer service rankings! You are in last place and have always been! American beats you by three places, ha ha! What top-shelf goodies and service are you offering? Alaska is number one in customer service and they have no Scope. Your pilot group is forcing United passengers to fly on old smelly 50 seat airplanes. Keep holding the line and see what happens. You had a chance to create a flow through with your UAL regional counterparts and customers would immediately have noticed a big change in customer service with less cancelations and delays. You have a problem:
https://www.chicagotribune.com/busin...529-story.html
https://www.chicagotribune.com/busin...529-story.html
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