Oil's up.
10-20-2019, 04:45 PM
#41
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 705
Sorry guys but I'm not happy with this at all. I do own a phone and my Rep seems to know less about the situation than I do and also isn't pleased with the mushroom treatment. If you're both content to sit around be treated like mushrooms, (see in the dark and crapped on), be my guest. I choose not to and will continue to be vocal about our Negotiating Committee's communication shortfalls.
Last edited by Floyd; 10-20-2019 at 04:56 PM.
10-21-2019, 09:01 AM
#42
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Joined APC: Mar 2012
Position: 777
Posts: 2,172
Guys, the company has all the leverage. As previously stated, we won't get a contract till something changes that the company wants. Right now that's scope, right now that's not going to change, so right now it could be years more.
Games? Yes. That 's how this system is rigged. The only way to change that is to change the railway labor act, and with the current administration, we really don't want to open that box because I suspect we would get something horrifically worse.
I'm not one to preach patience, but in this we have no choice. Suck it up. Voting on a deal early next year? Not bloody likely. The better question is, early in which year?
Know specific details? That would be negotiating in public. Not recommended. When the company does that, they are trying to divide us. Our best weapon is UNITY. What tends to happen is that if we go public, then everyone wants their own individual deal--no unity and no bargaining power there. Know now that this process will take years. so....wait for it.....be patient.
"If we don't hang together, we will surely all hang separately."
Games? Yes. That 's how this system is rigged. The only way to change that is to change the railway labor act, and with the current administration, we really don't want to open that box because I suspect we would get something horrifically worse.
I'm not one to preach patience, but in this we have no choice. Suck it up. Voting on a deal early next year? Not bloody likely. The better question is, early in which year?
Know specific details? That would be negotiating in public. Not recommended. When the company does that, they are trying to divide us. Our best weapon is UNITY. What tends to happen is that if we go public, then everyone wants their own individual deal--no unity and no bargaining power there. Know now that this process will take years. so....wait for it.....be patient.
"If we don't hang together, we will surely all hang separately."
10-21-2019, 09:53 AM
#44
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: SFO Guppy CA
Posts: 1,112
I would like to have a new agreement also! But I'm not willing to pay the price that would cost. I'm not willing to give up scope to just get a new agreement. Scope is the cost!!! We could probably have a new agreement if we just caved on scope. That seems to be what the Company wants and is not willing to give up the ghost on that one. That is why I say "be patient".
Both parties are restricted from talking specifically about negotiations while negotiating. That is and has been the protocol as long as I've been in the Industry. Failure of that could be construed as negotiating in bad faith.
Both parties are restricted from talking specifically about negotiations while negotiating. That is and has been the protocol as long as I've been in the Industry. Failure of that could be construed as negotiating in bad faith.
10-21-2019, 07:36 PM
#45
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Joined APC: Oct 2019
Position: B737 CA
Posts: 114
Guys, the company has all the leverage. As previously stated, we won't get a contract till something changes that the company wants. Right now that's scope, right now that's not going to change, so right now it could be years more.
Games? Yes. That 's how this system is rigged. The only way to change that is to change the railway labor act, and with the current administration, we really don't want to open that box because I suspect we would get something horrifically worse.
I'm not one to preach patience, but in this we have no choice. Suck it up. Voting on a deal early next year? Not bloody likely. The better question is, early in which year?
Know specific details? That would be negotiating in public. Not recommended. When the company does that, they are trying to divide us. Our best weapon is UNITY. What tends to happen is that if we go public, then everyone wants their own individual deal--no unity and no bargaining power there. Know now that this process will take years. so....wait for it.....be patient.
"If we don't hang together, we will surely all hang separately."
Games? Yes. That 's how this system is rigged. The only way to change that is to change the railway labor act, and with the current administration, we really don't want to open that box because I suspect we would get something horrifically worse.
I'm not one to preach patience, but in this we have no choice. Suck it up. Voting on a deal early next year? Not bloody likely. The better question is, early in which year?
Know specific details? That would be negotiating in public. Not recommended. When the company does that, they are trying to divide us. Our best weapon is UNITY. What tends to happen is that if we go public, then everyone wants their own individual deal--no unity and no bargaining power there. Know now that this process will take years. so....wait for it.....be patient.
"If we don't hang together, we will surely all hang separately."
10-21-2019, 08:17 PM
#46
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Joined APC: Jun 2013
Posts: 234
I get my info from 20+ years in the airlines. Oh and common sense. ALPA has been wonderful. But right now the sticking point is scope. If you’re willing to give up some scope then you’ll have a AIP tomorrow. With the economy doing great and united making billions everyone is happy. As I said, until something changes in favor of the pilots or Oscar is just feeling generous we will be working under this contract for quite some time.
10-22-2019, 05:53 AM
#47
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Joined APC: Mar 2015
Posts: 353
I get my info from 20+ years in the airlines. Oh and common sense. ALPA has been wonderful. But right now the sticking point is scope. If you’re willing to give up some scope then you’ll have a AIP tomorrow. With the economy doing great and united making billions everyone is happy. As I said, until something changes in favor of the pilots or Oscar is just feeling generous we will be working under this contract for quite some time.
10-22-2019, 07:46 AM
#48
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Joined APC: Jun 2013
Posts: 234
If they don’t ink a deal then the costs remain the same indefinitely. Pilots are happy so everything is running like a well oiled machine. So until something changes everything stays the same.
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