Learflyer

You’re a young, female, Delta pilot. You’re better off than most of the male posters in this thread who’s been at this for years.

oldmako

Decades.



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OOfff

Please tell me more about me

vessbot

One of the many problems I have to deal with with as a man in aviation is self-installed arbiters of what I can advertise and talk about in order to fit in.

Not.

ChecklistMonkey

No companies? No. By white male pilots? Yes. You know what many Captains say to me when a female messes up on the radio? Some iteration of "should have stayed home to raise kids" or something vaguely inappropriate or something about how unfair it is they are getting hired. You know what they say when a man messes up? "Man, tell ATC to get off his back.".

John Carr

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/0ec7934...4-aad0c96e25c6

webecheck

Not attacking you, just responding to your post about HR aggressively desiring them. These are the facts:

4.5% of ATP certificate holders are women.
7.2% of the UA list is women.
4.5 and 4.4 of delta and AA respectively, if my memory serves me correct. Alpa published it not too long ago. Some companies are down in the 1-2% range, some are above the 4.5%. United has more women than any other airline, and about 2.7% more than the representative population of certificate holders. These are the simple facts that can't be disputed.

John Carr

Numbers and statistics can ALWAYS be portrayed/displayed to present a case or an argument.

If it's 4.5% of women are ATP holders, yet we have 7.2% on our list, well, that doesn't seem like much of a spread. But when you think that as a percentage, we have more than 50% of the amount of female ATP holders as a % on our list, that can been seen as quite a gap. IDK, women just want to work here more than anywhere else? Doubt it...

And it's too bad we can't get our hands on the facts of percentage of each demographic hired vs percentage of each demographic in the applicant pool.

In other words, what's the ratio of males that apply/interviewed/hired vs the ratio of females apply/interviewed/hired?

I know, I know....

...there will be SOME response by SOMEONE saying it's the same. Yet can't back it up. But it's naive to think it is THE SAME.

N.S. said she'd like for half our pilot ranks to be females, and that was about 20 years ago.

sigrun

Why do you doubt it? UAL actually actively promotes themselves as good workplace for women in aviation. They just appear more attractive than other companies.

You also fail to understand how statistics work.
If ~5% of ATP license holder are female (Source: WAI), the average ratio across ALL companies should be around 5%.
While you, for some reason, focus only on UAL.

While AAL or DAL are almost right on the mark, you need to consider companies like SWA with their 3,5% pilot workforce being female(Source: Forbes/ ISWAP).

Ergo, your logic is fallacious. The average in major airlines is still there. UAL just appears like a more attractive option to women pilots, while SWA obviously seems to be a lesser choice.

Now, your interview/hired ratio question is a bit weird, since there isn't really a reason to think that female ATP holders would apply to airlines at lesser rate than male ATP holders. It's reasonable to assume the rate across the gender groups to be the same.

And a last thought - even if you disregard all of it, and still choose to believe women are favoured in a slight percentage rate, you are talking a about literally less than 20 (sic!) female pilots per company.
Yet people seem to make it seem like they can't get in or are discriminated against (which would result in less than 20 'favoured' hires) in hiring process. Get a grip.

Learflyer

John Carr’s numbers were spot on. You’re missing the point. Of those few women, they’re absolutely getting called first to interview! We all have our own jaw dropping examples at the regionals and elsewhere.