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Old 08-02-2019, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by fadec
Look at the average age when hired for M vs. F. That should point out some bias. I don't know what the data says, but I'd be surprised if ages were equal.
Interesting point. Bored on a trip so I just went and looked up all those who are senior and younger to me on the reunion lane page. Anecdotally I bet most people would believe you. Statistically it's accurate too. For me, 10.1% are female while the list is 7.2%, and the atp population is only 4.5%.

What I did find interesting was that it was really disproportionate in the top 200ish of the roughly 1k people. Most all of those names are legacy Cal hires. As I got further down the list to my name it became more representative of the overall %.
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Old 08-02-2019, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by fadec
Look at the average age when hired for M vs. F. That should point out some bias. I don't know what the data says, but I'd be surprised if ages were equal.
Also, the argument of 5% of ATP holders being female, which is close to the 5% of AA and DL pilots being female is a little lopsided.

Women have not always made up that much of a percentage of ATPs. Women have had a significant increase in recent years of obtaining ATPs. While this is a good thing, I would argue a decent chunk of those female ATPs are still “time building” at the regionals and do not have competitive hours for the legacy carriers just yet.

When you argue the percentage of total female ATPs compared to female legacy pilots you need to account for only the women that have competitive hours. Lets call it more than 4,000 hours total time and 1,000 PIC, which is probably on the low end. In 1990 only 1.9% of ATPs were female. In 2006 it was 3.5%. 2010 was still only 3.8% and I would say a decent number of those probably don’t have competitive hours just yet. As I mentioned earlier, that 5% number includes a lot of recent female ATPs that do not quite have competitive hours yet. So if its true that 7% of United pilots are female you could argue that United has somewhere between double to more than triple the amount of the total percentage of female ATPs with competitive hours.
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Old 08-03-2019, 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by fadec
Look at the average age when hired for M vs. F. That should point out some bias. I don't know what the data says, but I'd be surprised if ages were equal.
Or, they had been excluded as a group, and when the door opened there were some highly competitive female pilots available.
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Old 08-03-2019, 05:14 AM
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Ah, the continued oppression and strife of the fragile white male...
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Old 08-03-2019, 05:37 AM
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Ah, the continued oppression and strife of the fragile white male...
Look around at new hire classes. It’s nearly impossible to make it as a white male
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Look around at new hire classes. It’s nearly impossible to make it as a white male
What photos are you looking at? I’m looking at a recent new-hire class of 35 with 30 white males and zero women.

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Old 08-03-2019, 06:15 AM
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What photos are you looking at?! I’m looking at a recent new-hire class of 35 with 30 white males and zero women.
It was sarcasm.

When I interviewed, there were 3 women out of about 40 people. None got the job. I guess someone failed to tell the 9 people conducting interviews that they had a quota to meet.

And I recently flew with someone who had gotten hired at Delta after 2 years at a regional (he had less than 3,000 hours, 1 type, and zero turbine PIC). If he was a girl then everybody would be pi$$ed, but since he was a boring white guy, no one cared.
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Old 08-03-2019, 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
It was sarcasm.

When I interviewed, there were 3 women out of about 40 people. None got the job. I guess someone failed to tell the 9 people conducting interviews that they had a quota to meet.

And I recently flew with someone who had gotten hired at Delta after 2 years at a regional (he had less than 3,000 hours, 1 type, and zero turbine PIC). If he was a girl then everybody would be pi$$ed, but since he was a boring white guy, no one cared.
He probably deserved it. It's tough to be a WASP in this day and age.
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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
It was sarcasm.
Ouch, thanks for the correction.
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Old 08-03-2019, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
It was sarcasm.

When I interviewed, there were 3 women out of about 40 people. None got the job. I guess someone failed to tell the 9 people conducting interviews that they had a quota to meet.

And I recently flew with someone who had gotten hired at Delta after 2 years at a regional (he had less than 3,000 hours, 1 type, and zero turbine PIC). If he was a girl then everybody would be pi$$ed, but since he was a boring white guy, no one cared.
Why do you think he was hired? Or, alternatively, wasn't screened out?
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