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06-21-2019, 01:36 PM
#13
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I don’t work for United but spent years at a United Express carrier. I think 100% of my colleagues and I would have been happier flying that size airplane on the UAL certificate and seniority list rather than starting over at the bottom when we were lucky enough to finally get in at a major.
12 years wasted at a regional, like thousands of others. Every airplane under a brand should be flown by pilots at that company and on that seniority list.
12 years wasted at a regional, like thousands of others. Every airplane under a brand should be flown by pilots at that company and on that seniority list.
06-21-2019, 02:03 PM
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I don’t work for United but spent years at a United Express carrier. I think 100% of my colleagues and I would have been happier flying that size airplane on the UAL certificate and seniority list rather than starting over at the bottom when we were lucky enough to finally get in at a major.
12 years wasted at a regional, like thousands of others. Every airplane under a brand should be flown by pilots at that company and on that seniority list.
12 years wasted at a regional, like thousands of others. Every airplane under a brand should be flown by pilots at that company and on that seniority list.
06-21-2019, 03:41 PM
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06-21-2019, 06:53 PM
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Yes! As others have said, wouldn't you like your first job to be on a Major carriers seniority list? Or do you prefer to slog it out to build time for 1-15+ years and then start all over again at the bottom of a new seniority list?
But what is amazing to me is that a major carrier can open the check book to outright buy airplanes for another company to fly while the pilots employed by that carrier don't fly them. That to me is a huge hole in the scope language. I don't care what size they are, 45 seats or 425 seats. If the company buys the aircraft, their employees should to fly them, not some other companies pilots.
If Skywest or Mesa (or insert your regional here ___), buys airplanes to fulfill a contract so be it. Of course I would prefer zero outsourcing but that obviously goes without saying.
But what is amazing to me is that a major carrier can open the check book to outright buy airplanes for another company to fly while the pilots employed by that carrier don't fly them. That to me is a huge hole in the scope language. I don't care what size they are, 45 seats or 425 seats. If the company buys the aircraft, their employees should to fly them, not some other companies pilots.
If Skywest or Mesa (or insert your regional here ___), buys airplanes to fulfill a contract so be it. Of course I would prefer zero outsourcing but that obviously goes without saying.
06-21-2019, 08:13 PM
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Yes! As others have said, wouldn't you like your first job to be on a Major carriers seniority list? Or do you prefer to slog it out to build time for 1-15+ years and then start all over again at the bottom of a new seniority list?
But what is amazing to me is that a major carrier can open the check book to outright buy airplanes for another company to fly while the pilots employed by that carrier don't fly them. That to me is a huge hole in the scope language. I don't care what size they are, 45 seats or 425 seats. If the company buys the aircraft, their employees should to fly them, not some other companies pilots.
If Skywest or Mesa (or insert your regional here ___), buys airplanes to fulfill a contract so be it. Of course I would prefer zero outsourcing but that obviously goes without saying.
But what is amazing to me is that a major carrier can open the check book to outright buy airplanes for another company to fly while the pilots employed by that carrier don't fly them. That to me is a huge hole in the scope language. I don't care what size they are, 45 seats or 425 seats. If the company buys the aircraft, their employees should to fly them, not some other companies pilots.
If Skywest or Mesa (or insert your regional here ___), buys airplanes to fulfill a contract so be it. Of course I would prefer zero outsourcing but that obviously goes without saying.
06-21-2019, 10:34 PM
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[/QUOTE] But what is amazing to me is that a major carrier can open the check book to outright buy airplanes for another company to fly while the pilots employed by that carrier don't fly them.[/QUOTE]
Don't twist the words, like I said above, the majors are buying airplanes to be operated by other companies and pilots not on the seniority list of the company that is buying the airplanes.
If you can't see the problem here..
If you can't see the problem here..
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