Pay multiplier, F/O's help please
05-12-2019, 09:56 AM
#31
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05-12-2019, 10:26 AM
#32
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Compute the annual pay for the smallest airplane at guarantee. If that combined with mainline work rules does not float your boat, move on.
“Premium” pay will vary greatly by base and aircraft.
Ditto with profit sharing.
Ditto with aircraft movement.
05-14-2019, 05:58 AM
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Howdy y'all, noob here.
I'm thinking of making the jump from a regional and it kind of boils down to QOL vs pay so I need your help.
I'm at about 10% company wide with ~12 yrs left before I pumpkin out. So the thought is to get on with UA and sandbag in the right seat for the duration of my career unless an upgrade outweighs at some point. I'd be giving up initial QOL for more $$ over the term but am trying to get an idea of the pay differential and whether the $$ is worth the loss of current QOL. Pay rates are known but don't tell the whole story.
That's where you come in. Would you F/O's (no offense to my fellow grey hairs) mind chiming in with your multiplier as follows:
2018 gross (not including company 16% 401k) divided by pay rate divided by credit hrs. For me it came to 1.17.
That's all I'm looking for, not actual pay. Also years on property, reserve or lineholder will be helpful too.
This will help me get a better idea of actual pay so thank you in advance.
I'm thinking of making the jump from a regional and it kind of boils down to QOL vs pay so I need your help.
I'm at about 10% company wide with ~12 yrs left before I pumpkin out. So the thought is to get on with UA and sandbag in the right seat for the duration of my career unless an upgrade outweighs at some point. I'd be giving up initial QOL for more $$ over the term but am trying to get an idea of the pay differential and whether the $$ is worth the loss of current QOL. Pay rates are known but don't tell the whole story.
That's where you come in. Would you F/O's (no offense to my fellow grey hairs) mind chiming in with your multiplier as follows:
2018 gross (not including company 16% 401k) divided by pay rate divided by credit hrs. For me it came to 1.17.
That's all I'm looking for, not actual pay. Also years on property, reserve or lineholder will be helpful too.
This will help me get a better idea of actual pay so thank you in advance.
Having an offer from United and 12 years to go is 1 million plus retirement accumulation!!!! As well as $3 million in earnings in 12 years !! And average at least 2100 days off in 12 years there is quality of life and I know you don’t care about the money as you said but I just pointed out
Obviously numbers if you don’t get furlough and the economy does not collapse
are you going to get that at your regional
What’s to think I don’t understand
05-21-2019, 12:19 AM
#34
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If I follow your formula and divide by credit hours the number is around 1.3, although as I see it, that only really tells you how much money is coming from extras like per diem, middle seat overrides, etc. If I divide by hours flown, the multiplier is more like 2.0, which tells you a little more about how much someone is working for their money. In reality, though, I don’t think these numbers paint a very good picture. The “multiplier” idea works better at regionals where there is basically one type of operation but at mainline carriers where we have domestic, int’l, wife & marrow body, etc., there are many different microcosms that all function differently from each other in terms of pay & lifestyle which makes direct comparisons much harder.
If it helps, from a guy who enjoyed his regional job quite a lot & made the switch around 5 years ago, I have more days off, make way more money, and like the flying better. No contest. At the time, I think the break even point was around 2 years. By now, it is immediate for most guys- maybe a year for a 10% seniority regional guy- but with 12 years left, there’s no way it hurts you financially.
Personally, you’ve got 12 years left to fly- if you’re at all interested in flying mainline, why not go for it? You’ll make more money, put more in retirement, and your options & quality of life will improve pretty quickly over the next decade.
If it helps, from a guy who enjoyed his regional job quite a lot & made the switch around 5 years ago, I have more days off, make way more money, and like the flying better. No contest. At the time, I think the break even point was around 2 years. By now, it is immediate for most guys- maybe a year for a 10% seniority regional guy- but with 12 years left, there’s no way it hurts you financially.
Personally, you’ve got 12 years left to fly- if you’re at all interested in flying mainline, why not go for it? You’ll make more money, put more in retirement, and your options & quality of life will improve pretty quickly over the next decade.
05-21-2019, 07:23 AM
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56 days without a phone call on the 737 is awesome! Global was great a few years ago. I had 8 months where my phone did not ring one time. Then they decided to adjust staffing and ruin it!
To the OP. Don’t sit at the regionals for 12 more years. That’s a hard life for another decade +. Make the move. Second year you’ll be making way more than you are now. And at the end of your time you’ll be making 200k. You’ll never see that at a regional.
To the OP. Don’t sit at the regionals for 12 more years. That’s a hard life for another decade +. Make the move. Second year you’ll be making way more than you are now. And at the end of your time you’ll be making 200k. You’ll never see that at a regional.
05-21-2019, 09:45 AM
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56 days without a phone call on the 737 is awesome! Global was great a few years ago. I had 8 months where my phone did not ring one time. Then they decided to adjust staffing and ruin it!
To the OP. Don’t sit at the regionals for 12 more years. That’s a hard life for another decade +. Make the move. Second year you’ll be making way more than you are now. And at the end of your time you’ll be making 200k. You’ll never see that at a regional.
To the OP. Don’t sit at the regionals for 12 more years. That’s a hard life for another decade +. Make the move. Second year you’ll be making way more than you are now. And at the end of your time you’ll be making 200k. You’ll never see that at a regional.
09-02-2019, 03:28 PM
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After how many years? How possible is to make 180-200K on year two?
I getting close to upgrade at my airline (low cost) and if that happens I'd be on year 5 Captain pay making close to 160K( not counting 401K) a year on reserve. How long would it take for a new hire on the narrow body to make more than 160K assuming that pilot doesn't live in base?
Overall, are you guys happy at United? What do you like the most about working for your current employer?
Thanks.
09-02-2019, 05:59 PM
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I miss those days! Getting decimated on global reserve these days. Kirby’s new staffing model is brutal.
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