Uniform delayed...... THANKFULLY!
05-07-2019, 05:45 AM
#32
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If ALPA is involved in it, ALPA will get 50% of the blame for it's failure. I am sure the company is more than ok with that.
I saw some ALPA uniform committee folks out and about in the school yard and I spoke to them about the uniform they were wear testing. They got their feelings hurt when being asked questions about it. They took offense as if to take it personally.
Some of the feedback I received was "I am serving my union, serving the pilots." Ok, I get that. But they are sort of overly invested in the outcome and don't want to hear the negative feedback about the Barney look.
So, as an institution ALPA won't look good at the end of the day.
and as individual ALPA volunteers those folks won't be happy that their peers aren't pleased with the entire boon-doggle. I see it as a lose-lose for ALPA and the volunteers.
Who exacty is the main company point of contact (accountable person), and who is the main ALPA point of contact (accountable person)? I think that's where the feedback should go directly. That's how to engage.
05-07-2019, 12:21 PM
#33
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Ultimately, anyone involved in the process is going to get hammered. You ask for the names of the actual decision makers and you get nothing. it's a committee. It's an ameba...
If ALPA is involved in it, ALPA will get 50% of the blame for it's failure. I am sure the company is more than ok with that.
I saw some ALPA uniform committee folks out and about in the school yard and I spoke to them about the uniform they were wear testing. They got their feelings hurt when being asked questions about it. They took offense as if to take it personally.
Some of the feedback I received was "I am serving my union, serving the pilots." Ok, I get that. But they are sort of overly invested in the outcome and don't want to hear the negative feedback about the Barney look.
So, as an institution ALPA won't look good at the end of the day.
and as individual ALPA volunteers those folks won't be happy that their peers aren't pleased with the entire boon-doggle. I see it as a lose-lose for ALPA and the volunteers.
Who exacty is the main company point of contact (accountable person), and who is the main ALPA point of contact (accountable person)? I think that's where the feedback should go directly. That's how to engage.
If ALPA is involved in it, ALPA will get 50% of the blame for it's failure. I am sure the company is more than ok with that.
I saw some ALPA uniform committee folks out and about in the school yard and I spoke to them about the uniform they were wear testing. They got their feelings hurt when being asked questions about it. They took offense as if to take it personally.
Some of the feedback I received was "I am serving my union, serving the pilots." Ok, I get that. But they are sort of overly invested in the outcome and don't want to hear the negative feedback about the Barney look.
So, as an institution ALPA won't look good at the end of the day.
and as individual ALPA volunteers those folks won't be happy that their peers aren't pleased with the entire boon-doggle. I see it as a lose-lose for ALPA and the volunteers.
Who exacty is the main company point of contact (accountable person), and who is the main ALPA point of contact (accountable person)? I think that's where the feedback should go directly. That's how to engage.
05-08-2019, 02:52 PM
#36
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Did you not see ALPA was the driver behind the design? The company just wants guys to show up looking professional. I bet if you asked kirby he would prefer our uniform be like everything else, built by the lowest bidder. Our uniform committee was bent on a “unique” design to separate us from our express partners. They wanted 6 different ties and the best money can buy. This was an ALPA creation. Much like the zebra is a horse designed by committee our trial uniform was a zebra.
Curious....ALPA's job is to defend the current contract and enforce it while bargaining for a better one. Uniform committee? We really spending union money on the barney outfit?
If this is true and correct we need a sunshine hearing.
05-09-2019, 03:46 AM
#37
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Joined APC: Nov 2008
Position: Boeing
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Ultimately, anyone involved in the process is going to get hammered. You ask for the names of the actual decision makers and you get nothing. it's a committee. It's an ameba...
If ALPA is involved in it, ALPA will get 50% of the blame for it's failure. I am sure the company is more than ok with that.
I saw some ALPA uniform committee folks out and about in the school yard and I spoke to them about the uniform they were wear testing. They got their feelings hurt when being asked questions about it. They took offense as if to take it personally.
Some of the feedback I received was "I am serving my union, serving the pilots." Ok, I get that. But they are sort of overly invested in the outcome and don't want to hear the negative feedback about the Barney look.
So, as an institution ALPA won't look good at the end of the day.
and as individual ALPA volunteers those folks won't be happy that their peers aren't pleased with the entire boon-doggle. I see it as a lose-lose for ALPA and the volunteers.
Who exacty is the main company point of contact (accountable person), and who is the main ALPA point of contact (accountable person)? I think that's where the feedback should go directly. That's how to engage.
If ALPA is involved in it, ALPA will get 50% of the blame for it's failure. I am sure the company is more than ok with that.
I saw some ALPA uniform committee folks out and about in the school yard and I spoke to them about the uniform they were wear testing. They got their feelings hurt when being asked questions about it. They took offense as if to take it personally.
Some of the feedback I received was "I am serving my union, serving the pilots." Ok, I get that. But they are sort of overly invested in the outcome and don't want to hear the negative feedback about the Barney look.
So, as an institution ALPA won't look good at the end of the day.
and as individual ALPA volunteers those folks won't be happy that their peers aren't pleased with the entire boon-doggle. I see it as a lose-lose for ALPA and the volunteers.
Who exacty is the main company point of contact (accountable person), and who is the main ALPA point of contact (accountable person)? I think that's where the feedback should go directly. That's how to engage.
Your observation about the wear testers being defensive about the uniform is doubly true.
05-09-2019, 05:28 AM
#38
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The little video that they put out mentions the wrinkles and purple tint of the uniform being fixed. There is no mention of the most simple thing to fix that generated a huge percentage of the complaints. I’m thinking that the purple tie is here to stay. This is the pet project of those involved, both at the company and ALPA, and their feelings are hurt by the overwhelming rejection of what they came up with. They’re going to dig in their heels and salvage all that they can. I’m hoping that the money that the Max fiasco is costing us makes the company put this on the back burner, but it won’t. Who really needs profit sharing anyway?
05-13-2019, 06:07 AM
#40
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You look at the first airline uniforms and take the latest versions of today's airline uniforms--draw a line and see the slight progression?
Retro would be a grand slam....aka Pan Am. I nod to our elders who made this a great career.
As far as "Thick Stripes" vs "Thin Stripes". aka not looking like a Regional pilot (from what a ALPA REP told me)
...ever heard of TWA, PAN AM, NWA, EAL, Braniff, National....I could go on? All of home had thick stripes!
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