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Old 03-23-2019, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Zenofzin
I’ve landed regularly at SNA in the 800, had to add power to get to the turn off on the end, and in at least 8000 plus hours in 737 never come close to scraping a tail on takeoff or landing. The Max is a great flying airplane that sips gas and stays on the same type.
10,000+ hours in the 737 and the same story. The stretch versions do come in fast, but I’ve never had a problem getting stopped. Landing 27L in ORD in a heavy 900 and making A1 right into north port is routine even with flaps 30 (I’m glad it doesn’t have brake temp displays though). It will never stop or have the climb performance of the 757, and if the runway is contaminated you’re diverting to IAD instead of going to DCA. The Max will fly a transcon with 179 people on just under 5.0 burn where the 757 guzzles gas by today’s standards. I don’t worry very much about the tail either. Rotate and land flat like a 727 and you’ll never have a problem. I do think that the Max and Neo are temporary solutions. The 757 is an incredible machine, but it’s time has come. I wish that either Boeing or Airbus would make a clean sheet design replacement and put the 737 and 757 in the desert. We’re years away from that though.
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Originally Posted by Zenofzin
I’ve landed regularly at SNA in the 800, had to add power to get to the turn off on the end, and in at least 8000 plus hours in 737 never come close to scraping a tail on takeoff or landing. The Max is a great flying airplane that sips gas and stays on the same type.
I also have 8000+ hours on the 737. you have to fly the 738 SP and nothing larger to do that in SNA where as any 757 can do that as they have more braking power and lesser approach speeds.
Also how many 737 have gone off runways over the winter v.s. other models?
All I was saying is that comparatively to other airplanes you have to be more on your game flying the stretch versions v.s. Airbus or 757 variants.
Boeing has stretched this model to its max. Pun intended.
Is it unsafe...no...but I’m glad I’m not flying it any longer!
They have put too much onus on the pilot to make up for engineering efficiencies and compromises.
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Boeing and the Airlines that demand the 737 are not gonna scrap it. Way too far down that $$ hole. It is here to stay and United is gonna have a bunch of them. It will be a money maker for us. Just be glad it has a pilot! This is how far the airlines will go to save a buck on training. If they will make a manufacturer redesign an ancient type so that they do not have to retrain us just think how much they would love to get rid of us completely!
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Old 03-23-2019, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Bestglide
I also have 8000+ hours on the 737. you have to fly the 738 SP and nothing larger to do that in SNA where as any 757 can do that as they have more braking power and lesser approach speeds.
Also how many 737 have gone off runways over the winter v.s. other models?
All I was saying is that comparatively to other airplanes you have to be more on your game flying the stretch versions v.s. Airbus or 757 variants.
Boeing has stretched this model to its max. Pun intended.
Is it unsafe...no...but I’m glad I’m not flying it any longer!
They have put too much onus on the pilot to make up for engineering efficiencies and compromises.
The 737 will never be in the same league as the 757. A 757-300 max would have been awesome. The stretch 737’s definitely require one to be on their game on shorter or slick runways, but we’re rocket surgeons and can handle it.
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Old 03-23-2019, 09:38 PM
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It’s an airplane that doesn’t tolerate sloppy flying. Not an inherently bad design, but if you fly like a slob and can’t hold airspeed and pitch, it’ll bite you.
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Old 03-24-2019, 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Itsajob
10,000+ hours in the 737 and the same story. The stretch versions do come in fast, but I’ve never had a problem getting stopped. Landing 27L in ORD in a heavy 900 and making A1 right into north port is routine even with flaps 30 (I’m glad it doesn’t have brake temp displays though). It will never stop or have the climb performance of the 757, and if the runway is contaminated you’re diverting to IAD instead of going to DCA. The Max will fly a transcon with 179 people on just under 5.0 burn where the 757 guzzles gas by today’s standards. I don’t worry very much about the tail either. Rotate and land flat like a 727 and you’ll never have a problem. I do think that the Max and Neo are temporary solutions. The 757 is an incredible machine, but it’s time has come. I wish that either Boeing or Airbus would make a clean sheet design replacement and put the 737 and 757 in the desert. We’re years away from that though.
What wrong with putting the high bypass geared fans on a 757?

One word: Southwest.
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707-727-737-757 all share the same narrow fuselage which was designed half a century ago when humans were MUCH smaller. That puny fuselage has to go. They need to start from scratch.

I'd rather sit in an EMB-170 or Airbus.
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Originally Posted by oldmako
707-727-737-757 all share the same narrow fuselage which was designed half a century ago when humans were MUCH smaller. That puny fuselage has to go. They need to start from scratch.

I'd rather sit in an EMB-170 or Airbus.
The FAA can require the 737 remove a seat in each row. Go to 2+3. They could do it for safety for two reasons.

Do the evacuation test under more realistic conditions, i.e., with real-sized people, and it fails.

Point to the data of increasing inflight security incidents involving bad passengers and conclude that it is at least partially because of people losing it because they’re jammed in so close.

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The FAA can require the 737 remove a seat in each row. Go to 2+3. They could do it for safety for two reasons.

Do the evacuation test under more realistic conditions, i.e., with real-sized people.

Point to the data of increasing inflight security incidents involving bad passengers and conclude that it is at least partially because of people losing it because they’re jammed in so close.
NEVER going to happen!
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NEVER going to happen!
Sad, but too true!
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