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Old 01-22-2019, 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
To the Captains credit he was honest with the passengers and tried everything to get the company to launch a rescue effort.

“”The flight crew was great and did the best they could, but you know it’s bad when the Captain starts telling passengers the email Oscar Munoz and post to social media in a bid to actually get some sort of rescue plan in motion. He had more faith in a viral campaign than he did in the company he represents..””

I can guarantee you, no one was just sitting on their hands. Apparently the general public thinks there are spare widebodies laying around, with crews sitting in the ready room waiting to launch. Just because some random passenger sends a tweet doesn't mean it happened.
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Old 01-22-2019, 05:59 AM
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I can guarantee you, no one was just sitting on their hands. Apparently the general public thinks there are spare widebodies laying around, with crews sitting in the ready room waiting to launch. Just because some random passenger sends a tweet doesn't mean it happened.
No need for a spare widebody. It’s a two hour flight. Any combination of airframes would have been fine. If they wanted a spare 777 I agree it would most likely require canceling a revenue flight but that probably would have been a wise choice. A couple of 737’s would have been worked also.
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Old 01-22-2019, 06:13 AM
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No need for a spare widebody. It’s a two hour flight. Any combination of airframes would have been fine. If they wanted a spare 777 I agree it would most likely require canceling a revenue flight but that probably would have been a wise choice. A couple of 737’s would have been worked also.

The big delay was thinking they could fix the door, once they realized they couldn't I don't think it took all that long to send another airplane up there. Sometimes **** happens, some passengers will always be ****ed whenever their flight doesn't go perfectly- no matter how much effort goes into fixing it. Sending narrow bodies would have also entailed manually emptying all the bags out of the containers too.
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Old 01-22-2019, 06:14 AM
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Brings up the question of those airfields in Siberia that are ETOPS diverts for the Polar routes, how good would landing in Tiksi or Yakutsk be? I overflew Siberia in Globals and shook at the thought of landing there. Our company did cold weather testing in Yakutsk, awful.

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Old 01-22-2019, 06:16 AM
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Brings up the question of those airfields in Siberia that are ETOPS diverts for the Polar routes, how good would landing in Tiksi or Yakutsk be? I overflew Siberia in Globals and shook at the thought of landing there. Our company did cold weather testing in Yakutsk, awful.

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Yakutsk doesn't look like much but Irkutsk is actually a pretty vibrant city.
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Old 01-22-2019, 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by JoePatroni
The big delay was thinking they could fix the door, once they realized they couldn't I don't think it took all that long to send another airplane up there. Sometimes **** happens, some passengers will always be ****ed whenever their flight doesn't go perfectly- no matter how much effort goes into fixing it. Sending narrow bodies would have also entailed manually emptying all the bags out of the containers too.
I have been involved in several rescue flights. They don’t move bags in minus 30 temps. Even in better weather they normally leave the bags on the originating flight.The bags come back when the aircraft is fixed.
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Old 01-22-2019, 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
Brings up the question of those airfields in Siberia that are ETOPS diverts for the Polar routes, how good would landing in Tiksi or Yakutsk be? I overflew Siberia in Globals and shook at the thought of landing there. Our company did cold weather testing in Yakutsk, awful.
If it’s good enough for SAC SIOP KC-135s to land as gliders after code red refueling of the B-52s, it’s good enough for the traveling public. At least the KC-135s carry(ied) a (one) parachute.
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Old 01-22-2019, 06:44 AM
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Yeah, Irkutsk is vibrant, near Baikal. There’s a Marriott there, points!

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No wonder, Captains a 570 guy !!

So easy to armchair quarterback this one but no, I probably wouldn't have dropped into Goose and chose Gander or St Johns in lieu of it. Wasn't there and won't and shouldn't critique those on that were on the flight deck. Everyone survived and all's well.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Medlink offers advice, The captain and dispatch decide if a divert is needed and to what city.
This!!! +1000.
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