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Old 01-12-2019, 09:37 PM
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I would think the lower time guys, feeling just lucky to be there, probably are a little more motivated and more pliable with less negative interference.

That said it is one thing just to get through training, but real world experience from the line is very valuable as well. I'm not impressed by a low time hot shot that aces the sim but hasn't seen much else.
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Old 01-12-2019, 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Knotcher
I would think the lower time guys, feeling just lucky to be there, probably are a little more motivated and more pliable with less negative interference.

That said it is one thing just to get through training, but real world experience from the line is very valuable as well. I'm not impressed by a low time hot shot that aces the sim but hasn't seen much else.
Without making a comment on what makes a legit hire... 1000 or 2000 more hours on a CRJ doesn’t really affect your ability to learn a 737. Judgement and leadership etc. of course, but the younger guys closer to college probably have the advantage, less to forget and such.
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Wow... That is a sad state of affairs.
It might be Hoss however UAL has always mixed in hiring like that from the 60, 78-79 and beyond. I am not saying it's right or wrong but seems like they always have a wide range in the hiring process.
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Originally Posted by Triumph
...Volunteering, leadership, etc...

Originally Posted by Airhoss
Wow... That is a sad state of affairs.
You missed the point, your time in a soup kitchen or washing puppies makes you a better pilot.
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Old 01-14-2019, 07:39 AM
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You missed the point, your time in a soup kitchen or washing puppies makes you a better pilot.
What about washing dishes in the back of a Korean restaurant while lovingly feeding and tending to their "Kitchen" dogs? Multitasking, the sign of a great airline pilot.

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Old 01-14-2019, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by cadetdrivr
I’m sure it varies with classes, but at the time, the “problem children” he was dealing with were not low time pilots, but rather very high time RJ captains and retired mil specs.
From a buddy in the training department here at DAL, it seems to be the same over here. More specifically for the mil guys, it seems to be old fighter pilots who've only flown fighters their entire careers.
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Old 01-14-2019, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
From a buddy in the training department here at DAL, it seems to be the same over here. More specifically for the mil guys, it seems to be old fighter pilots who've only flown fighters their entire careers.
Quite a few older retired military who never intended an airline career. Couple of years out of the cockpit, now considering a bonus career. Nothing against them, it just takes more time to get back in the swing. I'm not surprised at the extra training, new skillset after being retired for a while. It'll take longer.
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Old 01-14-2019, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
From a buddy in the training department here at DAL, it seems to be the same over here. More specifically for the mil guys, it seems to be old fighter pilots who've only flown fighters their entire careers.
It’s understandable. You’re brought up in a culture bred to convince you you’re the best, and many of them are. However fighter aviation is very canned and scripted in the larger picture of aviation and some of them don’t quite realize what they’re getting into. Spending months going to/from the whiskey areas and ranges is very different than launching on a domestic four day from ORD in Feb. Airline training is geared towards cost effectiveness and getting you legal to produce revenue, military training is not. Your experience is gained on the line, you leave the school house knowing what you need to be legal, not necessarily proficient. For a retired O-6 you need to think like a 2LT and be ready to be the new guy, some can, some struggle. They both have their challenges and dynamics, but there is almost no overlap. So long as you show up ready to learn and convince yourself “I don’t know dookie about this” most will be fine. You’ve already proven you can fly and learn.

Before you flame me I came from the fighter world.
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Originally Posted by Grumble
Before you flame me I came from the fighter world.
Also from the the fighter world and agree 100% with your post.
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