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03-08-2020, 11:07 AM
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03-08-2020, 03:55 PM
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Well.. that will be 'interesting'.
Looks like a nightmare.
So much for looking out the window.
Window shade?!
TV Monitor? Guess it will be a some sort of articulating mount.. weight? Maintenance?
22 seats? Seems like a lot for some markets. Wonder how that small galley will handle a BF service.
When these -10M's fly again (Still don't know- do they also have an MCAS? assume so).. they will probably replace the 75-2's that fly Atlantic routes.
Good times!
FS, FP & FtC
Motch
Looks like a nightmare.
So much for looking out the window.
Window shade?!
TV Monitor? Guess it will be a some sort of articulating mount.. weight? Maintenance?
22 seats? Seems like a lot for some markets. Wonder how that small galley will handle a BF service.
When these -10M's fly again (Still don't know- do they also have an MCAS? assume so).. they will probably replace the 75-2's that fly Atlantic routes.
Good times!
FS, FP & FtC
Motch
03-08-2020, 05:17 PM
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Well.. that will be 'interesting'.
Looks like a nightmare.
So much for looking out the window.
Window shade?!
TV Monitor? Guess it will be a some sort of articulating mount.. weight? Maintenance?
22 seats? Seems like a lot for some markets. Wonder how that small galley will handle a BF service.
When these -10M's fly again (Still don't know- do they also have an MCAS? assume so).. they will probably replace the 75-2's that fly Atlantic routes.
Good times!
FS, FP & FtC
Motch
Looks like a nightmare.
So much for looking out the window.
Window shade?!
TV Monitor? Guess it will be a some sort of articulating mount.. weight? Maintenance?
22 seats? Seems like a lot for some markets. Wonder how that small galley will handle a BF service.
When these -10M's fly again (Still don't know- do they also have an MCAS? assume so).. they will probably replace the 75-2's that fly Atlantic routes.
Good times!
FS, FP & FtC
Motch
03-08-2020, 05:29 PM
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Well.. that will be 'interesting'.
Looks like a nightmare.
So much for looking out the window.
Window shade?!
TV Monitor? Guess it will be a some sort of articulating mount.. weight? Maintenance?
22 seats? Seems like a lot for some markets. Wonder how that small galley will handle a BF service.
When these -10M's fly again (Still don't know- do they also have an MCAS? assume so).. they will probably replace the 75-2's that fly Atlantic routes.
Good times!
FS, FP & FtC
Motch
Looks like a nightmare.
So much for looking out the window.
Window shade?!
TV Monitor? Guess it will be a some sort of articulating mount.. weight? Maintenance?
22 seats? Seems like a lot for some markets. Wonder how that small galley will handle a BF service.
When these -10M's fly again (Still don't know- do they also have an MCAS? assume so).. they will probably replace the 75-2's that fly Atlantic routes.
Good times!
FS, FP & FtC
Motch
03-08-2020, 07:43 PM
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^
What he said.. heard it has it, then heard it doesn't.
If it doesn't, why are they also grounded?
Either way, would seem we are betting on M10's and 321XLR as our 75 replacement.
Still need something for the 76-3's and -4's.
Wonder if Boeing will sell us the 78-8's at cost, or even cheaper?!
FS, FP & FtC
Motch
What he said.. heard it has it, then heard it doesn't.
If it doesn't, why are they also grounded?
Either way, would seem we are betting on M10's and 321XLR as our 75 replacement.
Still need something for the 76-3's and -4's.
Wonder if Boeing will sell us the 78-8's at cost, or even cheaper?!
FS, FP & FtC
Motch
03-08-2020, 08:06 PM
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Do you guys actually know what mcas really is and why the version everyone knows by name is on airplanes (737max's in this discussion)? It's on other aircraft besides Max's, which I'm sure you know, just different designs. Not trying to insult anyone's intelligence here, just throwing some info out.
I'll give you the cliff notes. Faa mandated what the stall recovery characteristics of transport category airplanes have to be like. If the airplane naturally doesn't fit that mold, make a system that will augment it to fall into our parameters. The irony here is that if the mandate was never there, pilots would be forced to be pilots, thus these incidents with the max would never have happened. Not saying other issues couldn't manifest themselves in precarious situations I suppose, but if you isolate these instances, the very system intended to enhance safety, due to a poor design, was the reason for the aircraft's demise.
I'll give you the cliff notes. Faa mandated what the stall recovery characteristics of transport category airplanes have to be like. If the airplane naturally doesn't fit that mold, make a system that will augment it to fall into our parameters. The irony here is that if the mandate was never there, pilots would be forced to be pilots, thus these incidents with the max would never have happened. Not saying other issues couldn't manifest themselves in precarious situations I suppose, but if you isolate these instances, the very system intended to enhance safety, due to a poor design, was the reason for the aircraft's demise.
03-08-2020, 09:18 PM
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Do you guys actually know what mcas really is and why the version everyone knows by name is on airplanes (737max's in this discussion)? It's on other aircraft besides Max's, which I'm sure you know, just different designs. Not trying to insult anyone's intelligence here, just throwing some info out.
I'll give you the cliff notes. Faa mandated what the stall recovery characteristics of transport category airplanes have to be like. If the airplane naturally doesn't fit that mold, make a system that will augment it to fall into our parameters. The irony here is that if the mandate was never there, pilots would be forced to be pilots, thus these incidents with the max would never have happened. Not saying other issues couldn't manifest themselves in precarious situations I suppose, but if you isolate these instances, the very system intended to enhance safety, due to a poor design, was the reason for the aircraft's demise.
I'll give you the cliff notes. Faa mandated what the stall recovery characteristics of transport category airplanes have to be like. If the airplane naturally doesn't fit that mold, make a system that will augment it to fall into our parameters. The irony here is that if the mandate was never there, pilots would be forced to be pilots, thus these incidents with the max would never have happened. Not saying other issues couldn't manifest themselves in precarious situations I suppose, but if you isolate these instances, the very system intended to enhance safety, due to a poor design, was the reason for the aircraft's demise.
And it wasn’t just for stall recovery characteristics. That’s part of CFR 25.203, but it also addresses controls when approaching stalls, and without MCAS the MAX’s stick force gradients weren’t certifiable in those high AOA, high thrust situations.
http://www.b737.org.uk/mcas.htm
But yeah I agree with the point that without the system the plane would fly just fine, it just wouldn’t be certifiable.
03-09-2020, 05:31 AM
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