MEC Christmas Card
01-07-2019, 07:21 AM
#61
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: guppy CA
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I'm just breaking balls for sport. The way I see it, we already sold a big chunk of our inertia when we bit off on the extension and sold the exemption for pennies on the dollar. I might be completely wrong but people a LOT smarter than me made eloquent and cogent arguments to that end at that time. I think their arguments had merit. Most don't. I also have no desire to rekindle those arguments.
Kirby really wants scope relief and we don't want to lose flying. So, we're at loggerheads. My AA buds tell me that they caved when things were tough there. I can't help but think Kirby views this group with the same level of backbone so he's got his fingers crossed, and we're in the other corner beating our chests. As a result, I don't expect much, soon. I hope that I'm wrong, but pessimism has served me well for most of my career. Which is why I didn't get lathered up when they published that silly card.
Oscar could push this in our direction if he wanted to, but I don't think that he does. He's saving a bunch of money under this contract and the airline is performing well. Stand by for holding instructions.
Kirby really wants scope relief and we don't want to lose flying. So, we're at loggerheads. My AA buds tell me that they caved when things were tough there. I can't help but think Kirby views this group with the same level of backbone so he's got his fingers crossed, and we're in the other corner beating our chests. As a result, I don't expect much, soon. I hope that I'm wrong, but pessimism has served me well for most of my career. Which is why I didn't get lathered up when they published that silly card.
Oscar could push this in our direction if he wanted to, but I don't think that he does. He's saving a bunch of money under this contract and the airline is performing well. Stand by for holding instructions.
'This is a money contract, the next one will address work rules'. I still remember Dubo making that claim about C2K. I've yet to see a work rules contract since then. This current contract under negotiation has a very good chance to be a work rules contract. And that's due to the contract extension.
The extension was a pure money contract, no question about it. But it also satiated most pilots' desires for large pay raises. It delivered on that count. And with this month's pay raise, it affords us the luxury to negotiate a new contract for all of 2019 without pilots stating that they haven't had a pay raise since … (fill in the blank) while a new contract is being negotiated. Simply put, the extension took wage concerns off the table for this contract.
I personally believe that the contract extension allows us to negotiate a work rules contract this time around. I say that with reasonable confidence because I haven't seen any posts where pilots are expecting a x% pay raise on this contract.
I don't expect a TA any time soon. However, if the company drags this through the summer, I don't expect the company to have a very good year for operational performance. The company finally has a lot of goodwill with the pilot group - I'd hate to see it all ****ed away due to dragging contract negotiations for six or more months. But that's what the company will do if they drag out contract negotiations too long.
01-07-2019, 07:43 AM
#62
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Joined APC: May 2012
Position: CAP A320
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I personally believe that the contract extension allows us to negotiate a work rules contract this time around. I say that with reasonable confidence because I haven't seen any posts where pilots are expecting a x% pay raise on this contract.
I don't expect a TA any time soon. However, if the company drags this through the summer, I don't expect the company to have a very good year for operational performance. The company finally has a lot of goodwill with the pilot group - I'd hate to see it all ****ed away due to dragging contract negotiations for six or more months. But that's what the company will do if they drag out contract negotiations too long.[/QUOTE]
Your spot on Andy. Not only did we do a TA that gave us a nice pay raise (earlier than waiting to negotiate), we also got the Delta Snapshot, that all the naysayers against the TA, were adamant it wasn't happening. That shut up most people. And we got hundreds of grievances settled. Unfortunately there are still the OLD MAKO's that regardless, how much is done that is unprecedented, that will still say "But But But, the contract isn't done" being all too clueless, that we are not doing the old-style Full Section 6 negotiations any more. Those days are over. It's like the old farts that will say, I will never take any airplane in any situation with the APU inop.
I don't expect a TA any time soon. However, if the company drags this through the summer, I don't expect the company to have a very good year for operational performance. The company finally has a lot of goodwill with the pilot group - I'd hate to see it all ****ed away due to dragging contract negotiations for six or more months. But that's what the company will do if they drag out contract negotiations too long.[/QUOTE]
Your spot on Andy. Not only did we do a TA that gave us a nice pay raise (earlier than waiting to negotiate), we also got the Delta Snapshot, that all the naysayers against the TA, were adamant it wasn't happening. That shut up most people. And we got hundreds of grievances settled. Unfortunately there are still the OLD MAKO's that regardless, how much is done that is unprecedented, that will still say "But But But, the contract isn't done" being all too clueless, that we are not doing the old-style Full Section 6 negotiations any more. Those days are over. It's like the old farts that will say, I will never take any airplane in any situation with the APU inop.
01-07-2019, 07:43 AM
#63
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As far as goodwill, the pizza crowd will always be there no matter how oppressed. After all, someones got to save the airline.
01-07-2019, 08:03 AM
#64
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Position: Sleeping in the black swan’s nest.
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Sorry, but you’re way out of line here. Organ donation is something I hope that gets trumpeted as much and often as humanely possible. Seeing someone live a healthy life and be back at work and talk about what a rewarding thing it is to donate an organ will hopefully encourage others to follow suit. There are hundreds of thousands of people waiting (and dying) for a healthy kidney.
You can dislike Garry for his politics and his opinions, but the gift of his kidney to save his friends life is not something to shame him about. That was extremely poor taste.
You can dislike Garry for his politics and his opinions, but the gift of his kidney to save his friends life is not something to shame him about. That was extremely poor taste.
Cognitive dissonance seems to be at play with your response to sunvox. Your quote above and Gary’s kidney donation have exactly zero to do with each other.
01-07-2019, 08:14 AM
#65
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Either that, or my cold medicine is making me hallucinate.
01-07-2019, 08:43 AM
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That's been the norm for my entire career, so I have no reason to expect otherwise. Especially now, since Mr. Kirby appears to be the next BMOC.
As far as goodwill, the pizza crowd will always be there no matter how oppressed. After all, someones got to save the airline.
As far as goodwill, the pizza crowd will always be there no matter how oppressed. After all, someones got to save the airline.
There will always be a small hardcore group who will do anything to save the company no matter how bad things are, just as there will always be a (larger) hardcore group who will do anything to burn down the company no matter how good things are. A lot of the torch bearing villager crowd post here - any time there's a survey, the results are heavily skewed by perpetually angry pilots which is why I heavily discount polls on this and the UAL pilot forums.
There is a much larger group of pilots between the two extremes. They're the ones that matter; the extremes are unlikely to ever change.
01-07-2019, 08:58 AM
#67
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happens to the best of us.
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