PBS min days between blocks
12-22-2018, 07:08 PM
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Curious if any of the other airlines have language that prevents PBS from building 8-12 day work blocks. If guys want to work that long more power to them, but forcing us into 8-12 days on the road is a little excessive. Seems like 6 days on, with two between work blocks would be a bit more reasonable unless you waive it. The other answer might be to not give out any December vacations.... I’m guessing EWR will have a few sick calls rolling in.
12-23-2018, 07:31 AM
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The protections your seek are already built into the system. The scenario you are describing is not possible unless you waived days off. Call the pbs hotline and have them explain your bid results. Our system has a tough learning curve that typically involves a hard lesson around the holidays.
12-23-2018, 09:00 AM
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The protections your seek are already built into the system. The scenario you are describing is not possible unless you waived days off. Call the pbs hotline and have them explain your bid results. Our system has a tough learning curve that typically involves a hard lesson around the holidays.
The simple explanation: either one knows a lot less about PBS than they think they do or they're junior and tried getting a line by waiving some contractual rights.
I only have 10 days of work in a row this year; I think I had something like 15 days in a row in a previous year over the holidays. I understand why that happens and don't need to start a new thread over the subject. YMMV.
On the bright side, it cuts down on the need to commute during the busiest time of the year.
12-23-2018, 10:17 AM
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The contract requires one day off in domicile every seven days (unless waived). 14 CFR 117 requires 30 free from duty within last 168 hours at the start of every FDP (can not be waived but can be on a layover).
12-23-2018, 10:22 AM
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From the most recent PBS newsletter:
WAIVES REVISITED
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Where this has the least desirable impact is when bidders use waives in their final submitted bid group and they enter completion mode. Waives are not stripped out during completion mode, and if a bidder makes it to completion mode four due to not bidding deep enough, they are subject to an award that not only includes trips they preferred not to fly, but which uses the waives to decrease line quality even further.
So, if you are going to use a "waive" in your bidding strategy, make sure you don't keep the waive in the last one!!!!
WAIVES REVISITED
...
Where this has the least desirable impact is when bidders use waives in their final submitted bid group and they enter completion mode. Waives are not stripped out during completion mode, and if a bidder makes it to completion mode four due to not bidding deep enough, they are subject to an award that not only includes trips they preferred not to fly, but which uses the waives to decrease line quality even further.
So, if you are going to use a "waive" in your bidding strategy, make sure you don't keep the waive in the last one!!!!
12-25-2018, 08:27 AM
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Curious if any of the other airlines have language that prevents PBS from building 8-12 day work blocks. If guys want to work that long more power to them, but forcing us into 8-12 days on the road is a little excessive. Seems like 6 days on, with two between work blocks would be a bit more reasonable unless you waive it.
12-25-2018, 04:41 PM
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The protections your seek are already built into the system. The scenario you are describing is not possible unless you waived days off. Call the pbs hotline and have them explain your bid results. Our system has a tough learning curve that typically involves a hard lesson around the holidays.
12-25-2018, 05:31 PM
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Completion mode will not force work blocks over six days in length unless you have waived 1-in-7. If it did, that's an error and should be disputed.
12-25-2018, 06:56 PM
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It doesn’t matter how many awards came out that way, it only happens when waive commands are contained in your final bid group. Take another look.
01-01-2019, 06:04 PM
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They build trips of that length?What does the segment sequence look like on one of those?
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