Will Compass fly the united 25 175sc
08-14-2018, 07:13 PM
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That’s not what I meant. I was suggesting that the number of 70+ seat planes stays the same as it is now and not one more. They simply cover what the 50 seat jets do now, while we add 100ish seat jets at mainline to cover what the 70 seaters are doing now. Not one additional 70 seater to the regionals, elimination of the 50 seat jets, and the addition of 100+ seats on mainline. I don’t see that as relaxing scope, but forcing the company to deal with what we have now. That could be a big first step in taking back what has been lost.
08-15-2018, 06:29 AM
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That’s not what I meant. I was suggesting that the number of 70+ seat planes stays the same as it is now and not one more. They simply cover what the 50 seat jets do now, while we add 100ish seat jets at mainline to cover what the 70 seaters are doing now. Not one additional 70 seater to the regionals, elimination of the 50 seat jets, and the addition of 100+ seats on mainline. I don’t see that as relaxing scope, but forcing the company to deal with what we have now. That could be a big first step in taking back what has been lost.
Just one little tweak. It projects a few 50 seat jets to continue to fly to places that cannot support two or three of the 70/76 seat jets a day. This will be a small portion of what is flown today.
In addition, it tells me the total number of regional pilots will drop from 20,000 to 10,000 as the number of 100+ seat jets in with the mainlines ramp up. That is not a loss of pilots, that is a shift in pilots from regional to mainline; taking over former regional routes. Of course, there will be a massive consolidation in the number of regional carriers flying.
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08-15-2018, 09:35 AM
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08-15-2018, 10:37 AM
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According to our current scope language this is true. I forget how many more that they could have, but it would be more than offset by getting rid of the 50 seat planes and more importantly the addition of mainline metal. I’d rather either win the lottery and retire or have us fly it all, but until then our current scope is working as planned and they don’t like it. Their offer to come to the table with a big wad of cash for scope relief didn’t pan out. Without relief I don’t see a quick negotiation for our next contract, but they’ll be forced deal with what we have now and something like this could be a possibility.
08-16-2018, 11:43 AM
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I really doubt that we’ll be flying 76 seat jets at mainline any time soon. It wasn’t farmed out overnight, and it will not be brought back overnight either. How’s this for a step in the right direction? Replace the flying being done now by the 76 seat jets with mainline 100-130 seat jets. Eliminate the 50 seat jets and give that flying to the existing 76 seat regionals. That’s not relaxing scope, we significantly shrink overall regional flying, and most importantly grow mainline. It’s definitely not everything bigger than 70 seats at mainline, but it’s better than what we have now. Also, something like the a220 would be favored by the customers rather than a bunch of 76 seat jets.
Plus, you cannot just replace smaller aircraft with larger ones. Frequency is extremely important for the bottom line in this business and is a competitive advantage of legacy hub and spoke versus Spirit, Frontier, etc. Legacies will not win the lowest cost game if they try to play it. They need to play the high value game.
08-16-2018, 11:50 AM
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According to our current scope language this is true. I forget how many more that they could have, but it would be more than offset by getting rid of the 50 seat planes and more importantly the addition of mainline metal. I’d rather either win the lottery and retire or have us fly it all, but until then our current scope is working as planned and they don’t like it. Their offer to come to the table with a big wad of cash for scope relief didn’t pan out. Without relief I don’t see a quick negotiation for our next contract, but they’ll be forced deal with what we have now and something like this could be a possibility.
No 737 will ever replace your typical 50 seater route. Especially now that the smallest ones being ordered are the larger variants of the 737.
08-16-2018, 01:33 PM
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Umm nowhere in his response does he say a 737 is going to replace a 50 seat route. Just like what has happened at Delta, 50 seat routes will get upguaged to 76 jets and 76 seat routes will get upguaged to a SMNB. The total number of 50 seat jets will go down.
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