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Old 08-27-2018, 04:11 AM
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Case in point, the IAH-SYD loads for the last few months. The company dropped at least one day per week and the loads are still really soft. I'd put that BES back on death watch. Maybe the they should just put a 50 seater on it.

Th good news is if you're tying to get down under.......
IAH FO told me they’re running a ton of cargo, under the floor is what’s making the money. Take it for what it’s worth.
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Old 08-27-2018, 09:13 AM
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https://skift.com/2018/08/27/united-...nto-believers/
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Old 08-27-2018, 09:32 AM
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An interesting article and a lot of positive in there.

Honest question regarding scope and NSNB near the bottom. Given that NSNB language allows more regional 76 seaters if we add the mainline 100 seaters, if instead an equivalent number of 737s (let’s say Max 7) are added instead with concrete language about maintaining a minimum number that’s equal to what the NSNB language would have required, to me that would seem like a win, no?

I don’t know if that is what is being discussed but think it through - esp the pay scale side of things. What’s the ultimate goal here given that the company can already choose to add 76 seaters w/ NSNB?
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Old 08-27-2018, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Chuck D
An interesting article and a lot of positive in there.

Honest question regarding scope and NSNB near the bottom. Given that NSNB language allows more regional 76 seaters if we add the mainline 100 seaters, if instead an equivalent number of 737s (let’s say Max 7) are added instead with concrete language about maintaining a minimum number that’s equal to what the NSNB language would have required, to me that would seem like a win, no?

I don’t know if that is what is being discussed but think it through - esp the pay scale side of things. What’s the ultimate goal here given that the company can already choose to add 76 seaters w/ NSNB?
It has been asked and answered when UAL ordered the 700s. The union answer was NO. UAL has at least 20 used Arbii coming, I'm glad were not giving them 76 seaters for those. The whole point of narrowly defining the NSNB is to finalize the question of who will fly 100 seat jets...Mainline or Regionals.
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Old 08-27-2018, 10:40 AM
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It has been asked and answered when UAL ordered the 700s. The union answer was NO. UAL has at least 20 used Arbii coming, I'm glad were not giving them 76 seaters for those. The whole point of narrowly defining the NSNB is to finalize the question of who will fly 100 seat jets...Mainline or Regionals.


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Old 08-27-2018, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by guppie
It has been asked and answered when UAL ordered the 700s. The union answer was NO. UAL has at least 20 used Arbii coming, I'm glad were not giving them 76 seaters for those. The whole point of narrowly defining the NSNB is to finalize the question of who will fly 100 seat jets...Mainline or Regionals.
There’s never been a question about who flies 100 seaters, but I follow the rest of your comment
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Old 08-27-2018, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuck D
There’s never been a question about who flies 100 seaters, but I follow the rest of your comment
There was never a question about who flies more than 50 seats, until the bankruptcy. There was never a question about who flies more than 70 seats, until contract 2012. SKW and TSA have orders for the MRJ and the E175E2. They're just waiting...
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The 737s will come regardless. If anything, more 100 seaters probably mean fewer 76 seaters would be needed. It’s what Delta has done.
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Old 08-27-2018, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by da42pilot
The 737s will come regardless. If anything, more 100 seaters probably mean fewer 76 seaters would be needed. It’s what Delta has done.
Right! I can't figure out why we are still discussing this. Even if Kirby really, really, really promised he would never go back on his word, we would be fools to give an inch on scope. I talk to guys with under 1 year left until retirement and they all tell me that they would never vote for a contract with scope relief and they probably have the least to lose by giving up scope!
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Right! I can't figure out why we are still discussing this. Even if Kirby really, really, really promised he would never go back on his word, we would be fools to give an inch on scope. I talk to guys with under 1 year left until retirement and they all tell me that they would never vote for a contract with scope relief and they probably have the least to lose by giving up scope!
Let’s assume for a second I took Kirby at his word (and I honestly do think he gets it, and wants to run the number 1 airline). It’s not him I’m worried about... it’s his replacement and what they’ll do with that agreement. IF we were willing to have the discussion.
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