United Orders 4 Boeing 787-9's and 25 EMB-175
07-18-2018, 02:06 PM
#151
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You seem incapable of arguing a position. You do realize that when pilots are in high demeand it equates to leverage? You do realize that management wants the shiny new planes just as much as pilots? Is it enough leverage to push regional rates to the realm of the majors? Not yet. But it’s definitely a step in the right direction.
07-18-2018, 03:11 PM
#153
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You seem incapable of arguing a position. You do realize that when pilots are in high demeand it equates to leverage? You do realize that management wants the shiny new planes just as much as pilots? Is it enough leverage to push regional rates to the realm of the majors? Not yet. But it’s definitely a step in the right direction.
Doesn't matter if it's the WO's or the UAX's.
But sure, I'll play your little game;
Pilots at Endeavor/Enovy/PSA etc tell management "we want all the signing and retention bonuses converted to hard pay rates and overall compensation/401K, etc. You know, because we have leverage"
Sure, when they (management) stop laughing at the pilots they'll say "ok, we passed it up to mother DAL/AAG, and they laughed too. They're just fine handing out the cash, because when the next downturn comes they'll be less economically nimble or able to control their sourcing costs."
UAX? that's a whole different level of Alpha Fox Uniform'd.
07-18-2018, 04:13 PM
#154
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You seem completely incapable of understanding the issues regional MEC NC's have getting better CBA's.
Doesn't matter if it's the WO's or the UAX's.
But sure, I'll play your little game;
Pilots at Endeavor/Enovy/PSA etc tell management "we want all the signing and retention bonuses converted to hard pay rates and overall compensation/401K, etc. You know, because we have leverage"
Sure, when they (management) stop laughing at the pilots they'll say "ok, we passed it up to mother DAL/AAG, and they laughed too. They're just fine handing out the cash, because when the next downturn comes they'll be less economically nimble or able to control their sourcing costs."
UAX? that's a whole different level of Alpha Fox Uniform'd.
Doesn't matter if it's the WO's or the UAX's.
But sure, I'll play your little game;
Pilots at Endeavor/Enovy/PSA etc tell management "we want all the signing and retention bonuses converted to hard pay rates and overall compensation/401K, etc. You know, because we have leverage"
Sure, when they (management) stop laughing at the pilots they'll say "ok, we passed it up to mother DAL/AAG, and they laughed too. They're just fine handing out the cash, because when the next downturn comes they'll be less economically nimble or able to control their sourcing costs."
UAX? that's a whole different level of Alpha Fox Uniform'd.
Also, don’t open your negotiations by conceding one item (bonuses) for another (pay rates). This makes you look like you don’t know what you are doing. Perhaps ask for both.
Oh, and be sure to ask for more than just pay rates. Things like work rules.
Honestly, I don’t keep too current on regional section 6 negotiations, but I do believe that both republic and endeavor have made significant gains in the current environment.
07-18-2018, 05:10 PM
#155
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Right now they are sitting on a 50+ seat gap and are short domestic capacity. They can pay us now or pay us later. I'm content to wait for however long it takes.
07-18-2018, 05:14 PM
#156
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Position: 737 FO
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Nobody is saying it’s the regional pilots fault. We’re fighting to fix the mistakes of the past and hopefully get out of the Sh*t Sandwich regional model that still exists. Scope isn’t even up for discussion unless it’s an improvement from our current agreement. You want to be part of the solution? Stop working for the regionals! Go to an LCC or ULCC, get a new type and move on.
07-18-2018, 05:14 PM
#157
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Position: 737 FO
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I fully realize there is no shortage of qualified pilots for the Legacies today, but in 3 to 5 years there will be. I’ve read articles that the head of SWA pilot hiring number one worry is who they are going to hire in the future with impending pilot shortage beyond the Regionals.
Now Delta asks non pilot employees to take leaves of absences to train to become pilots.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/07/16/help-wanted-delta-seeks-8000-pilots-flight-attendants-may-apply.html
Now Delta asks non pilot employees to take leaves of absences to train to become pilots.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/07/16/help-wanted-delta-seeks-8000-pilots-flight-attendants-may-apply.html
07-18-2018, 09:13 PM
#158
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And it's made to get past scope. I'm sure Delta would love to get scope relief as well. In fact, there was already a news article going on about how it wouldn't really cost pilots anything since the jobs and planes are already at the regional, so why not just give them the seats for a small pay increase. There's a thread on the Delta subforum about it.
You're so out of touch I don't even know where to start.
You're so out of touch I don't even know where to start.
07-18-2018, 11:14 PM
#159
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And it's made to get past scope. I'm sure Delta would love to get scope relief as well. In fact, there was already a news article going on about how it wouldn't really cost pilots anything since the jobs and planes are already at the regional, so why not just give them the seats for a small pay increase. There's a thread on the Delta subforum about it.
You're so out of touch I don't even know where to start.
You're so out of touch I don't even know where to start.
