Texxx

ding ding ding

Texxx

Hmm. MESA with an IPO. Guess who owns approx 30% of MESA? Well it's not UAL.

Celeste

Let's see... You made this statement:

Ultimately the United pilot group and ALPA let this regional mess occur. Then for years, ALPA has almost always sided with mainline pilots any time it has come between mainline vs regional pilot groups. ALPA did allow this regional whipsaw to occur, they allowed concessionary contracts to let one company get jets over another, time after time. We regional pilots are like the C scale, yet this is all our fault for not fighting hard enough. lol. Just look at how regional carriers were completely screwed over and decimated time after time for trying to fight for better pay and work rules, or even just trying to hold the line.

Sadly, few of us will be surprised to see the UAL pilot group give more scope relief. How about more 76 seat jets, higher mtow, or upping capacity to 80+ seats, for $$ carrot to mainline pilots?? It would not be shocking to see regional carriers flying Embraer E2s and MRJs within the next 2-3 years. There's a proven track record of y'all voting away scope. I'd (most regional pilots, too) would love to be proven wrong.

Boeing Aviator

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed...-embraer-175s/

Must read article. I think we have a lot of leverage. I still predict some type of outside the box deal between ALPA and the company. We get a better contract, don’t give up an inch on Scope, we bring regional flying to mainline and start an industry trend to end regional flying. Takes care of current Regional pilot shortage an impending pilot shortage at the Legacies.

Bluewaffle

Nobody is saying it’s the regional pilots fault. We’re fighting to fix the mistakes of the past and hopefully get out of the Sh*t Sandwich regional model that still exists. Scope isn’t even up for discussion unless it’s an improvement from our current agreement. You want to be part of the solution? Stop working for the regionals! Go to an LCC or ULCC, get a new type and move on.

CALFO

If you truly think that united pilots are going to give away scope, you are on another planet. The “scope choke” is in effect and it will severely undercut efforts by the company to utilize the e175’s in a profitable manner.

Let’s run this out a bit into the future. united scope will necessitate these planes having a 70 seat capacity, thus reducing revenue. The next play will be for ual management to request proposals from its Express carriers to fly a “revenue challenged” aircraft. The express carriers will then go the pilots looking for them to make a sacrifice to ensure that their company gets the flying. At this point It will be in your lap. Will you vote “No”? Or, will you complain about it, vote yes, and then (after they’re on property) complain about the pay rates while blaming ALPA? Remember, alpa is a Union, it’s not the mafia. Their job is to represent the pilots of the airline. It’s the pilots that are steering the ship.

Andy

Here's why I don't expect to see any scope erosion.
~20% of the pilots on property have been furloughed and have witnessed what loosening scope has done to their jobs.
Another ~20% (rapidly growing) post merger hires have seen the stagnation caused by loosened scope over the last two decades.


Pay is very good right now so a couple more dollars in exchange for loosening scope isn't going to sway many pilots. A few, sure. A sizable number? I doubt it.

The economic benefits of regional outsourcing is dwindling with increased crew costs so there aren't that many more dollars management is going to offer for loosening scope.


Right now, I think that Kirby's buying A319s (128 seats) to fill the gap. At some point, I'm hoping they finally bite the bullet and order up some SNBs. I doubt that I'll ever pilot one of them but it'd be nice to see mainline flying aircraft smaller than 118 seats (737-700). There are several good choices between 76 and 118 seats.

Happyflyer

I think it's pretty obvious that United will be buying the E190/195. Boeing just bought a large share in the company that builds them. Boeing obviously smelled an order and quickly invested.

Happyflyer

I think your wrong, most, if not ALL mainline pilots are making more now than they ever have in their career, even back when it was "good".

10 years ago the CA pay scales weren't has high as the FO ones are now. Preserving what you have is far more important that trying to break a peice off and sell it.

If airlines filed BK and dropped cut everyone's pay by $100 an hour and they saw 70 more 76 seaters as a way to "return to glory" then get worried.

They'd sell it in a heart beat for $100 an hour across the board, but that ain't gonna happen.
As much as you complain about them selling scope you forget who has paved the path that you will enjoy walking on when you get hired. Unless you would prefer Continental's $28 year 1 pay and year 8 to break $100.

da42pilot

THIS.

Please read, it is a must.