United Airlines September Job Fair
05-03-2019, 09:39 AM
#791
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Sounds like you think it’s unjust because you didn’t get hired. If you were hired would you be bearing your drum ?
Nepotism? You are saying that UAL should not be hiring family members but there are 12,000+ pilots clamoring for the ability to hire family.
You have claimed many things about the UAL hiring. However, I have flown with some hires from 2013 onward recently that were outstanding people and good pilots. Appears the hiring and training department is doing a good job from the end product I see on the line.
Nepotism? You are saying that UAL should not be hiring family members but there are 12,000+ pilots clamoring for the ability to hire family.
You have claimed many things about the UAL hiring. However, I have flown with some hires from 2013 onward recently that were outstanding people and good pilots. Appears the hiring and training department is doing a good job from the end product I see on the line.
05-03-2019, 09:50 AM
#792
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500 total, 250 each day. There will not be a military day and civilian day. You will be selected based solely on the score of your application.
05-03-2019, 04:01 PM
#793
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Position: 175 CA
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05-04-2019, 08:24 AM
#794
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Position: B777 CA
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Well there young fella lookie here. I've seen more than a few well connected pilots get hired. I can recall a recent father-son combo with the same first and last name get hired all because of connections.
Now, I think it's great to have a family member in your corner, but I don't think it should go all the way up to the top of the company and I don't think the undue influence is acceptable.
I've seen it all. Daughter of Philpot, Son of Starley. Whatever....
I think it's great, it's groovey, but it's not consistent. Give all Captains one silver bullet to use and let them use it. What we have is inconsistent.
inconsistency + HR golf shirt screening process = lack of credibility.
How about we just let Captains run it? I think we could give a few guys some crackerjack box HR degrees and let them figure it out.
We've got allot of well qualified regional pilots to choose from right now, so as long as we don't go out and hire regional co-pilots... and instead hire regional, 135, foreign equivalent 121, corporate, or military aircraft commanders (captains) I feel pretty good about who we are hiring right now.
I DO NOT like the practice of hiring regional co-pilots who have not upgraded. This hurts the process of advancement within the profession. I am sure our golf shirt HR guru's get this (no?).
Now, I think it's great to have a family member in your corner, but I don't think it should go all the way up to the top of the company and I don't think the undue influence is acceptable.
I've seen it all. Daughter of Philpot, Son of Starley. Whatever....
I think it's great, it's groovey, but it's not consistent. Give all Captains one silver bullet to use and let them use it. What we have is inconsistent.
inconsistency + HR golf shirt screening process = lack of credibility.
How about we just let Captains run it? I think we could give a few guys some crackerjack box HR degrees and let them figure it out.
We've got allot of well qualified regional pilots to choose from right now, so as long as we don't go out and hire regional co-pilots... and instead hire regional, 135, foreign equivalent 121, corporate, or military aircraft commanders (captains) I feel pretty good about who we are hiring right now.
I DO NOT like the practice of hiring regional co-pilots who have not upgraded. This hurts the process of advancement within the profession. I am sure our golf shirt HR guru's get this (no?).
05-04-2019, 08:32 AM
#795
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Posts: 1,383
Well there young fella lookie here. I've seen more than a few well connected pilots get hired. I can recall a recent father-son combo with the same first and last name get hired all because of connections.
Now, I think it's great to have a family member in your corner, but I don't think it should go all the way up to the top of the company and I don't think the undue influence is acceptable.
I've seen it all. Daughter of Philpot, Son of Starley. Whatever....
I think it's great, it's groovey, but it's not consistent. Give all Captains one silver bullet to use and let them use it. What we have is inconsistent.
inconsistency + HR golf shirt screening process = lack of credibility.
How about we just let Captains run it? I think we could give a few guys some crackerjack box HR degrees and let them figure it out.
We've got allot of well qualified regional pilots to choose from right now, so as long as we don't go out and hire regional co-pilots... and instead hire regional, 135, foreign equivalent 121, corporate, or military aircraft commanders (captains) I feel pretty good about who we are hiring right now.
I DO NOT like the practice of hiring regional co-pilots who have not upgraded. This hurts the process of advancement within the profession. I am sure our golf shirt HR guru's get this (no?).
Now, I think it's great to have a family member in your corner, but I don't think it should go all the way up to the top of the company and I don't think the undue influence is acceptable.
I've seen it all. Daughter of Philpot, Son of Starley. Whatever....
I think it's great, it's groovey, but it's not consistent. Give all Captains one silver bullet to use and let them use it. What we have is inconsistent.
inconsistency + HR golf shirt screening process = lack of credibility.
How about we just let Captains run it? I think we could give a few guys some crackerjack box HR degrees and let them figure it out.
We've got allot of well qualified regional pilots to choose from right now, so as long as we don't go out and hire regional co-pilots... and instead hire regional, 135, foreign equivalent 121, corporate, or military aircraft commanders (captains) I feel pretty good about who we are hiring right now.
I DO NOT like the practice of hiring regional co-pilots who have not upgraded. This hurts the process of advancement within the profession. I am sure our golf shirt HR guru's get this (no?).
I agree. PIC used to be an important thing. To be a PIC (or first time in the left seat for that matter) at a mainline carrier for the first time in one’s career and missing all of those thousands of hours in an ATR at a regional gaining experience is something that’s going to backfire someday.
05-04-2019, 09:24 AM
#796
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I agree. PIC used to be an important thing. To be a PIC (or first time in the left seat for that matter) at a mainline carrier for the first time in one’s career and missing all of those thousands of hours in an ATR at a regional gaining experience is something that’s going to backfire someday.
It's happened in the past and is happening now. People upgrade every day at the FTC without prior 121 PIC time. Captains you've flown with had their first upgrade at United.
I would argue that this round of hiring has given United some of the most qualified candidates EVER. How many regional LCAs or Captains has United hired with 10+ years 121 experience?
Anybody hired as a regional FO either has some serious connections, or has worked their tail off to get other leadership qualities to make up for the lack of PIC time on their resume. We are not at the point yet in the cycle where we're exclusively hiring 2000 hour pilots.
05-04-2019, 09:43 AM
#797
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Joined APC: Oct 2018
Posts: 515
What do you mean backfire someday?
It's happened in the past and is happening now. People upgrade every day at the FTC without prior 121 PIC time. Captains you've flown with had their first upgrade at United.
I would argue that this round of hiring has given United some of the most qualified candidates EVER. How many regional LCAs or Captains has United hired with 10+ years 121 experience?
Anybody hired as a regional FO either has some serious connections, or has worked their tail off to get other leadership qualities to make up for the lack of PIC time on their resume. We are not at the point yet in the cycle where we're exclusively hiring 2000 hour pilots.
It's happened in the past and is happening now. People upgrade every day at the FTC without prior 121 PIC time. Captains you've flown with had their first upgrade at United.
I would argue that this round of hiring has given United some of the most qualified candidates EVER. How many regional LCAs or Captains has United hired with 10+ years 121 experience?
Anybody hired as a regional FO either has some serious connections, or has worked their tail off to get other leadership qualities to make up for the lack of PIC time on their resume. We are not at the point yet in the cycle where we're exclusively hiring 2000 hour pilots.
05-04-2019, 10:08 AM
#798
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Posts: 235
For the purposes of United, that is proprietary and they keep that stuff pretty secret.
But in general, if upgrading is not an option, look into being a sim instructor, pilot recruiting, ALPA rep/committee, safety work, management jobs, etc. Anything you can do to show career growth will help you. Even then, understand that as a FO you're at a disadvantage compared to a 121 Captain, LCA, military aircraft commander or instructor/evaluator.
But in general, if upgrading is not an option, look into being a sim instructor, pilot recruiting, ALPA rep/committee, safety work, management jobs, etc. Anything you can do to show career growth will help you. Even then, understand that as a FO you're at a disadvantage compared to a 121 Captain, LCA, military aircraft commander or instructor/evaluator.
05-04-2019, 10:12 AM
#799
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Joined APC: Jan 2011
Posts: 121
Since u cant think of any perhaps that disqualifies you. What about lec/Mec chairperson, lots of good experience dealing with pilot issues and management in one of those positions?
United hires a range of experience and qualifications, something everyone here has had to deal with!
United hires a range of experience and qualifications, something everyone here has had to deal with!
05-04-2019, 10:16 AM
#800
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What do you mean backfire someday?
It's happened in the past and is happening now. People upgrade every day at the FTC without prior 121 PIC time. Captains you've flown with had their first upgrade at United.
I would argue that this round of hiring has given United some of the most qualified candidates EVER. How many regional LCAs or Captains has United hired with 10+ years 121 experience?
Anybody hired as a regional FO either has some serious connections, or has worked their tail off to get other leadership qualities to make up for the lack of PIC time on their resume. We are not at the point yet in the cycle where we're exclusively hiring 2000 hour pilots.
It's happened in the past and is happening now. People upgrade every day at the FTC without prior 121 PIC time. Captains you've flown with had their first upgrade at United.
I would argue that this round of hiring has given United some of the most qualified candidates EVER. How many regional LCAs or Captains has United hired with 10+ years 121 experience?
Anybody hired as a regional FO either has some serious connections, or has worked their tail off to get other leadership qualities to make up for the lack of PIC time on their resume. We are not at the point yet in the cycle where we're exclusively hiring 2000 hour pilots.
Listen. Didn’t always used to be this way. They may be upgrading at the FTC, but in my humble opinion, a strong fundamental foundation of experience at a regional level or decent 135 for at least a few years AS CAPT should be the measurement of “the best candidates EVAH!” Vs someone hired at delta or ual because they were the chapter president at their local Women in Aviation or through extreme nepotism ( google the article about the Delta captain mom and her TWO very young daughters who fly with her at Delta.
Jus sayin’.
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