PasserOGas

Hey fellas.

B6 guy here. As you may know we just got a TA. There are some questions about reserve as it works at other companies. Our MEC has been weak on details here.

How does reserve work at UAL? I'm not looking for all the gory details, but generally. Is long call the standard and then you are switched? Is there an override or limits on how much short call you can sit? Can you pick up flying or reserve on days off?

Also, can one of you guys get on hiring me?

MasterOfPuppets

I just posted in both of your threads on the JetBlue forum some details.

If you want good info do a search in here there is atleast 3 really long threads that will answer all your questions about reserve at UA

Dave Fitzgerald

Lots of threads on UAL reserve. Do a little searching and you'll have more info that you want.

But the basics are
1. 2 systems. Long call and short call.
2. Everyone is supposed to start on long call then if assigned, do short call for a 14 hour window
3. However, the company abuses the system, and basically assigns everyone short calls with no accountability or limits. So effectively, there is no long call. Very tough on commuters. Commuting to reserve at UAL is a nightmare.
4. You do get extra pay for more short calls but there are conditions. The company doesn't seem to care, they just want everyone on short call.
5. They frequently call, during your short call window, and give you another short call, back to back, to back, to back. Again, no limits, or accountability.
6. You cannot do reserve on days off, but with some conditions, you can move days off around. International reserve, you basically only have 6 days off you can count on, called hard days off, or HDO's. The rest are moveable at the companies discretion, with conditions. Again, they do this at their whim.
7. You cannot pickup flying on days off either, 1 exception--at the crew desk whim. You have to call the crew desk, move the day, then try to pick the trip up. It seems success is tied to how the crew desk guy feels that day or if he's had his coffee yet, phase of the moon--you get the idea.

Bottom line, lots of holes, system drastically needs improvements. But with a few small changes QOL can be vastly improved--at UAL. Hopefully it is on the list for our current contract talks.

If there is room for interpretation of the contract, or nothing defined, you can count on the company abusing the system. Good luck on interviews and hiring.

APC225

Courtesy of a very sharp guy who distilled it down.

Reserve Gouge 5.5 Long Call - All reserves begin as LC unless awarded pure SC line (20-K-1-A) - 73 hour Guarantee (3-C-1-b-1) - On call 24 hrs per day (20-K-5-b) - 13 hours to push from initial notification (20-K-5-a) - 10 hours notice for SC assignment 0000-1759 - 12hr notice from 1800-2359 (20-K-6-d) - 12 hours notice for FSB assignment (treated same as a trip)(20-K-5-a) - 12:45 min time between trips reducible to 10:45. Reduction would apply if on a current trip and you APU a subsequent trip and current trip is late. (5-F-3-h-1&2)(5-E-3-e-1) - 10:45 min time between trips if given reserve additional flying under 20-I-6-h. (20-I-6-h-1)(5-F-3-h-3) -12:45 min off-duty period after a FSB (treated same as a trip) (5-H-2, 5-E-3-e) -1000 Earliest report time following days off for assignments made before1800. Could be earlier than 1000 if 2-way comm is made. Other protections apply under 20-K-7-d. (FAR 117 drives this modification of UPA section 20-K-7) - Released at 1000 if next day is RDO, HDO or VDO (20-K-5-c) - Released at 1500 if next day is FDO or CDO (20-K-5-c)(virtual release at 1200, no assignment can be made after 1200 unless waived, assignment can't begin on FDO) - APU – opens 1100 lcl day prior – If on a day off - May pick up trip in Silo or Silo -1. If on LC may pick up in Silo or Silo -1 but the current day counts as a day of availability until 1500. After 1500 it does not count as a day of availability (20-K-8-B) - Release to Trip - APU - released at time of APU, freeze trip on CCS to prevent line holder pick-up if desired. If not Frozen must check 15 hrs prior to see if Lineholder picked up your trip (20-K-4-c-4) - Release to Trip – Assignments – released from current day & until show time on day of trip if frozen from line holder pick-up (20-K-4-a &c) - Assignment Window – 1300-1500 lcl, must check schedule after 1500 only if on LC (20-I-6-d) - On last day off prior to reserve - must check schedule & acknowledge assignments between 1800-2400 (20-K-7-e) - Must check schedule after block in for assignment/ reassignment (20-K-1-d) - May not be assigned more than 90hrs of flying/non flying (DH counts ½ toward limit)(rig time does not count towards 90hr limit)(5-B-2-c-1-4) Short Call - 76 hour guarantee for pure SC line (3-C-1-b-2) - 14 hour Reserve Availability Period (RAP) (20-K-6-a) (After approx 11:30 into your SC you become virtually unusable – basic reserve) - RAP + Assignment can't exceed 16hrs or FAR 117 Table B plus 4hrs whichever is less (FAR 117) - 2.5 hours to report time from initial notification (basic & global) consideration for heavy traffic (20-A-4-a) - Report Times - 60 min basic, 30 min DH, 90 min global reducible to 60 min(5-E-2-b)(20-A-4-c) - Released at 1500 on last day of reserve unless notified otherwise (20-K-6-h) - 10:00 intervening rest required if released from RAP for a subsequent assignment (20-K-6-f) - APU – 1100-2359 - May pick up trip Silo or Silo -1 while on SC but must have 10 hrs between SC end time and new assignment. (20-K-8-B) - Release to Trip – APU - Must finish current day assignment, APU may be taken away if current day assignment interferes with APU. Freeze from line holder pick-up if desired (20-K-8-f) - Release to Trip – Assignments – released from current day & until show time on day of trip if trip is frozen from line holder pick-up (20-K-4-a&c) - Released to beginning of SC assignment (20-K-6-e) - Reserve released to an assignment shall not be required to answer his phone. (20-K-4-b) - If on SC - not required to check schedule at 1500 for next days assignment. Crew Desk must call to release you from your SC if assigned Trip/SC/FSB for tomorrow otherwise you must finish your SC. - No disrupting days off to cover a short call or FSB assignment unless day off is a VDO (20-K-3-C-5) - Unused SC immediately reverts back to LC (20-K-6-g) - SC conversion is for a single reserve period not whole reserve block (20-K-6-A) - Can only start 1 SC or FSB assignment per day (20-K-3-c-(6)) - Close in parking reimbursed for show times <3hrs (20-A-4-a) - FSB - 4 hours at airport, trip must be scheduled to depart no later than 5 hrs from start of FSB. (5-H) - 1 hour added to MPG for each day above 2 UNUSED Short Call/FSB (APU or assigned) (Once at 3 hours added to MPG you can't APU for more hours added to MPG)(3-C-1-b-1-a) - 1 hour added to MPG for each day above 5 ASSIGNED UNUSED short calls/FSB (not APU'd) (3-C-1-b-1-b) Reassignments: - Visiting reserve to be reassigned into his days off prior to using a reserve on his regular reserve days (20-I-4-b) Reassignments must comply with return limits in 20-L - Once assigned a trip the only way to be reassigned for multiple days is under 20-I-6-b-(2). Reassignments must comply with the return limits in 20-L. 20-I-4-b Visiting Reserve. (Applies even if local reserves are available to do the trip) The Open Trip or flying shall be reassigned to a Reserve whose Trip ends with a deadhead, by replacing the deadhead with Open Flying, including deadheading to cover Open Flying, provided the reassignment is scheduled to return the Pilot to his Base without exceeding the limitations specified in Section 20-L, as measured off his previously-assigned Trip. 20-I-6-b-(2) A Reserve whose Trip ends with a deadhead, by replacing the deadhead with Open Flying, including deadheading to cover Open Flying, provided the reassignment complies with Section 20-L, as measured off the end of his last reserve day. (Applies if no local reserves are available) 20-I-6-h-(3) A Reserve may be given an add-on reassignment that begins after the completion of his current Trip. Such reassignment must comply with Section 20-L. A Reserve who is given such a reassignment shall not be given a subsequent assignment or reassignment under the provisions of Section 20-I-6-h without his concurrence. Additionally, such a reassignment must be made by the time the Reserve has blocked in on the last leg of his current Duty Period. 20-F-1 Loss of Full Trip or Originating Segment of Trip When a Pilot loses a full Trip or the originating portion thereof, due to a schedule repair, being out of position, cancellation, consolidation or Equipment substitution, regardless of whether he has reported for the Trip, he may be assigned or reassigned by the Company as follows: 20-F-1-c-(1) It cannot be scheduled to interfere with the Pilot's next scheduled day off. If a Reserve receives an assignment or reassignment under Section 20-F-1-b, it must also comply with Section 20-L. 20-F-2 Loss of Segment After Originating Segment of Trip When a Pilot loses any portion of a Trip other than the originating segment, regardless of whether he has reported for the Trip, he may be reassigned to other known Open Flying, including deadheading to such flying, in accordance with Section 20-L. 20-L-2 Basic Flying Reassignment Limitations 20-L-2-a When a Pilot's original Arrival time is: 20-L-2-a-(1) From 0100 to 1200, the Pilot must be scheduled to arrive from the reassigned Trip no later than 1200 the next day. 20-L-2-a-(2) From 1201 to 2400, the Pilot must be scheduled to arrive from the reassigned Trip no later than 2400 the next day. - 5-E-6-b HDO (Holy Day Off): a reserve day off that may not be disrupted for the assignment of a trip. (You can't be assigned a trip that starts on a Holy Day or a trip that starts on a reserve day and goes into a Holy Day but you can be reassigned from your current trip into a Holy Day) From JNC Cruise News Nov 12, 2012. "Days off that can't be moved for the assignment of a trip do not preclude a pilot from being reassigned into a day off that would otherwise not be movable, subject to the return limits in Section 20-L." - 20-L-2-c A Reserve whose original assignment included flying on an FDO shall not be reassigned beyond that FDO, without his concurrence. - 20-L-6-b Day-Off Pay. A Pilot shall receive fifty percent (50%) Add Pay for all scheduled Flight Time and Deadhead Time on a day off (regardless of whether the day off is restored). A Reserve who is reassigned into a FDO or CDO shall not receive Add Pay for the reassignment. (applies to a RE-assignment into day off and not a legal assignment into a day off) - 5-E-6-c FDO (Flexible Day Off): a reserve day off that, for a Basic or Global Reserve, may be disrupted for the assignment of a Basic Trip and, for a Global Reserve, may be disrupted for the assignment of a Global Trip. Without the concurrence of the Pilot and the Company, an FDO may only be placed on the first day of a period of days off and may not be placed after a period of six (6) days of reserve availability or on a golden day off as defined in Section 5-E-9. - 20-K-3-b-(3) If a Trip cannot be assigned without disruption of days off, it shall be assigned to a Reserve who requires the fewest number of disrupted days off. - 5-F-5-b A Reserve who is reassigned into a day or days off shall have that day or days off restored, except that with concurrence between the Company and the Reserve, he may receive four (4) hours of Add Pay in lieu of restoration of one (1) day off. -5-F-5-c In the Actual Operation, if a Reserve flies into a day or days off, he must notify the Company prior to Trip release of his intent to remain on reserve for that day in order to have that day off restored. With concurrence between the Company and the Reserve, he may receive four (4) hours of Add Pay in lieu of restoration of that day off. General Info: - Reserve Day Trade Window opens 25th @ 1300 LCL - Futures Desk - SC/FSB/Trips assigned after 1100 must remain in open time for 4 hrs or 15 hrs prior to report time whichever is earlier, if assignment becomes open within 15 hrs it is immediately assignable (20-I-2 & 20-I-6-e) -20-H-6 Moving an Open Trip to Another Base: 20-H-6-b Any deadheading made necessary by moving the Trip to another Base shall be booked in First Class, if available at time of booking. If First Class is not available, the Pilot shall be booked according to Section 5-C, but shall be upgraded automatically if a First Class seat becomes available. Upgrade priority shall be in seniority order and ahead of all upgraded passengers. (MEC DYK publication - pairings should be built with H6 as last two digits in pairing #) - Covering/assigning trips to Reserves (20-I-6) - Reserve call out pay - called out but then later replaced by another reserve to protect on time departure whether you actually report or not 2 hours pay. (20-A-6 & 3-C-3-g) If called out and you report but don't fly you also get 2 hrs of pay regardless of who replaced you. No report, no pay if replaced by lienholder. - Waiving Report Time: 1:30-2:15 Report = 1 hour add pay (20-A-4-b) - Waiving Report Time: <1:30 Report = 2 hours add pay (20-A-4-b) - Waiving contractual duty times 31-75 min 2.5hrs add pay, >75 min 5hrs add pay - single leg duty period only, DH counts as leg (5-F-1-h, LOA 38) - Waving 9 hours behind door rest: Operational Integrity 5 hrs add pay (5-F-8) Restrictions apply (5-F-8-c) - Reserve may volunteer to convert a day off to a reserve day for (4) hours of Add Pay once per bid period (used in lieu of day-off restoration). CM concurrence required. (5-E-5-c) - VDO - convert day off to VDO for 50% add pay for VDO and days following VDO if assigned a trip. No pay if not used. (5-E-8-b)

SGRogue

WOW! Going to UAL soon (waiting on a class). Looks like I’ll need to keep my mentor on speed dial. Does the MEC have any time set aside during new hire training to walk us thru this?

Ni hao

I have not had one LC since September of 2017.

A new VP of scheduling started about the same time hmmmm

Commuting to RSV as previously said at UA is a disaster.

Buyer beware.

MasterOfPuppets

Union reps will be present but I don't think they spend to much time in the contract. Ask one for the reserve gouge or ask your mentor for it. If neither have it go to the UALpilots forum and look up the sticky for reserve gouge. Thats all you really need.

In fact the reserve gouge may even be available on the ALPA website.

blizzue

I spent 8 months commuting to RSV and now I live in base.

Commuting isn't that bad because your day one starts at noon or later (short call starts and 10 am but you can't show before noon). Last day of RSV ends at 10 am (long call) or 3 pm (short call).

Usually I would commute in day one for either a trip or a short call/field standby. Then I just sat in my crash pad. A lot. Lots of unused short calls/field standby, then I would fly home on my last day.

Living in base I only pick up flying if I like the trip or layovers. Otherwise I just wait for the phone to ring, or not. I wish shortcall/FSB was paid regardless of used/unused. I wish we had pure long call lines. I wish we had pure short call lines for more guarantee.

Depends on where you commute from, but it's not awful. Calling to move my days around has never been an issue. Might just be my experience, but I am always able to get days moved to where I need them.

PilotGR

Reserve on International flight is very easy. I have never had them move my days.

I understand 737/320 is different...but it seems like night/day between widebody/narrowbody reserve.

guppyflyer

I hope you're knocking on wood right now!