82spukram

I’m not against it. I wish it was the case that new hires get profit sharing however the money is closer then most think. My assumption was based on the difference between (what someone else posted that I assume is true) is that you are salary at $5000 month in training until IOE complete at DAL vs $90/hr at 90 hours a month plus 24 hrs a day per diem. If that’s the case a new hire at ual would make almost 10K more while in training and save about 500-700 on hotel Vs crashed but enjoy a much better experience with a private room. this assumes an 8 week foot print.

Buck Rogers

You may well be right...those deets are beyond me. Too lazy to look em up but if anyone really cares I can check. If true, then u sir are correct😁

I come from the "more is better" camp.....unless we are talking a kick in the nads or a punch in the face

Grumble

When this was negotiated, there were no new hires, and none coming. Thus there was no negotiating capitol spent on it.

Congrats, you’re gonna make about $20k more in your first three months than a DAL anew hire who may get a PS check of half that. You’re squabbling over a fraction of a fraction of a percent of a career of earnings.

I was much happier to have a hotel provided, per diem, PS travel, and a 90 hour guarantee than living hand to mouth in a ghetto of Atlanta trying to survive.

Bird in the hand or two in the bush?

Buck Rogers

I'm glad you are happy...Your statement re ATL training, is the same type of limited perspective I've been talking about. I have actually told jumpseaters not to apply at Delta after listening to them beotch about Delta not paying for hotels....as I said and then you reiterated....chump change in the scheme of an overall career and a very limited perspective

BTW...the time to negotiate good stuff is when you don't need it. Things like furlough protection when hiring is going great guns, PS when the company is not making money etc. The cost of negotiating capital is minimal in these situations. The negotiators have to be forward thinkers

Firefly899

Change in direction question.

Can anyone speak about uniforms? Initial outfitting costs, payroll deductible over first 12 months, supplier etc. ???

Thanks

worstpilotever

Uniforms....they give you 4 shirts, 2 pants, a jacket and a hat. Maybe an overcoat as well. It was M&H, but heard they have been dropped with the new uniforms that will be here in 5 years. Not sure where the new hires get the uniforms from.

gollum

You get fit for your uniforms during indoc by M&H and they are FedEx’ed to your home.

gollum

No payroll deduction because initial uniforms are provided by the company. Same will apply when they finally change the uniform.

Firefly899

Great. Thanks for the replies. Just needed to know if I had to budget some cash.

horrido27

Always funny to read what people ***** about.

Let's be brutally honest.
As pilots, most of us DON'T do contract research BEFORE applying to airlines. Just about everyone throws their apps into the pool of every major, and some nationals.

We just "hope" that where ever we land is better that where we are currently.
Sure, everyone has their "dream" job. Usually based on where they live, and if they have family there too.

I never wanted Cargo, I never wanted SouthWest or American. Really didn't look at United too hard cause of what the guys in my squadron told me about AND was flying for United Express and saw what an abortion that was.
Delta was my DREAM job.
And got shot down!

Now, I think that HAD I ended up at Delta, I wouldn't have gotten the type of lifestyle I have enjoyed over the past many years.

You never really know how things will work out.. but, to read some of the *****ing/complaining that is going on in this thread is both funny, and a little sad AND disconcerting going into the future~

Just my opinion
FS, FP & FtC
Motch