1810 v final is out
05-09-2018, 06:38 AM
#51
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It's probably different for different folks. But, I know allot of folks that commute to wide body and they bid to do back to back teli-deli trips out of EWR, and that meant IRO to make it possible to maximize their pay check and minimize inconvenience of commuting. For me, when I was a 777 FO I simply bid any seat to Narita, which usually meant one of the Bunkie positions. I could have held landings to LHR, but a 3 day 26:30 trip beat a 3 day 17 hour trip. However, sometimes offering to buy dinner for the FO might mean you could buy the landing too.
05-09-2018, 08:40 AM
#52
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Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: 787
Posts: 3,202
Nobody is bagging on bunkies, especially not me because I am one! I can't get a flying seat to save my life.
However there is a sub group of bunkies that Hoss and I were talking about. They are the ones that don't engage during the briefing, never do a chart, when asked if they want the middle seat on the way out or the way back they reply "I'll take the corner for both". So they sit there in the NOB seat usually reading a book with earbuds in. During cruise when asked "what do you think"? They usually respond with whatever you want or thats fine because they have no idea how to make a decision. They rarely do the ETOPs stuff and if they do try it is half assed and wrong.
Bottom line, there is a reason that the LDRQ is now a mini MV and its because of these pilots. Gotta love when one of these checked out pilots decides to bid a flying a seat, usually because of a poor performance at TK, the FSAPs start to flow like water.
These pilots can usually be picked out by a mis colored shirt, wrinkled blazer (if they even bring it), stains on their ties, 10 year old un-shined and scuffed shoes and uniform pants from a second source that are faded.
Like I said this group literally does not care.
However there is a sub group of bunkies that Hoss and I were talking about. They are the ones that don't engage during the briefing, never do a chart, when asked if they want the middle seat on the way out or the way back they reply "I'll take the corner for both". So they sit there in the NOB seat usually reading a book with earbuds in. During cruise when asked "what do you think"? They usually respond with whatever you want or thats fine because they have no idea how to make a decision. They rarely do the ETOPs stuff and if they do try it is half assed and wrong.
Bottom line, there is a reason that the LDRQ is now a mini MV and its because of these pilots. Gotta love when one of these checked out pilots decides to bid a flying a seat, usually because of a poor performance at TK, the FSAPs start to flow like water.
These pilots can usually be picked out by a mis colored shirt, wrinkled blazer (if they even bring it), stains on their ties, 10 year old un-shined and scuffed shoes and uniform pants from a second source that are faded.
Like I said this group literally does not care.
05-09-2018, 08:59 AM
#53
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: Sleeping in the black swan’s nest.
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Nobody is bagging on bunkies, especially not me because I am one! I can't get a flying seat to save my life.
However there is a sub group of bunkies that Hoss and I were talking about. They are the ones that don't engage during the briefing, never do a chart, when asked if they want the middle seat on the way out or the way back they reply "I'll take the corner for both". So they sit there in the NOB seat usually reading a book with earbuds in. During cruise when asked "what do you think"? They usually respond with whatever you want or thats fine because they have no idea how to make a decision. They rarely do the ETOPs stuff and if they do try it is half assed and wrong.
Bottom line, there is a reason that the LDRQ is now a mini MV and its because of these pilots. Gotta love when one of these checked out pilots decides to bid a flying a seat, usually because of a poor performance at TK, the FSAPs start to flow like water.
These pilots can usually be picked out by a mis colored shirt, wrinkled blazer (if they even bring it), stains on their ties, 10 year old un-shined and scuffed shoes and uniform pants from a second source that are faded.
Like I said this group literally does not care.
However there is a sub group of bunkies that Hoss and I were talking about. They are the ones that don't engage during the briefing, never do a chart, when asked if they want the middle seat on the way out or the way back they reply "I'll take the corner for both". So they sit there in the NOB seat usually reading a book with earbuds in. During cruise when asked "what do you think"? They usually respond with whatever you want or thats fine because they have no idea how to make a decision. They rarely do the ETOPs stuff and if they do try it is half assed and wrong.
Bottom line, there is a reason that the LDRQ is now a mini MV and its because of these pilots. Gotta love when one of these checked out pilots decides to bid a flying a seat, usually because of a poor performance at TK, the FSAPs start to flow like water.
These pilots can usually be picked out by a mis colored shirt, wrinkled blazer (if they even bring it), stains on their ties, 10 year old un-shined and scuffed shoes and uniform pants from a second source that are faded.
Like I said this group literally does not care.
They are almost always passive aggressive. They are usually the “mouth” during a briefing. They are concerned about the wrong stuff and try to bring up and argue minutiae. They create drama to subconsciously take the attention off their poor flying ability. When stuff goes really wrong they inevitably have one or all of typical age old excuses and it’s never their fault and they never take responsibility or ownership for their lack o skill.
These guys are not the typical rusty pilot who wants to brush up and get better. The pro bunky has perfected the bare minimum, acceptable standard, just skimming by lifestyle.
05-09-2018, 09:29 AM
#54
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Joined APC: Oct 2015
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I’ll second that! I was beside myself when I came to the 777 and got a taste of some the 570’s mentality. I had more than one of these clowns tell me how much worse he had it living on B-Scale for 5 whole years. This of course was after I had told him about my two furloughs equaling seven years of my UAL career!!! It was even more joyful to hear about them upgrading to 777/400 captain in their early to mid forties. Don’t miss flying with that group AT ALL!
05-09-2018, 09:50 AM
#55
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You can spot these guys walking through the door for a briefing.
They are almost always passive aggressive. They are usually the “mouth” during a briefing. They are concerned about the wrong stuff and try to bring up and argue minutiae. They create drama to subconsciously take the attention off their poor flying ability. When stuff goes really wrong they inevitably have one or all of typical age old excuses and it’s never their fault and they never take responsibility or ownership for their lack o skill.
These guys are not the typical rusty pilot who wants to brush up and get better. The pro bunky has perfected the bare minimum, acceptable standard, just skimming by lifestyle.
They are almost always passive aggressive. They are usually the “mouth” during a briefing. They are concerned about the wrong stuff and try to bring up and argue minutiae. They create drama to subconsciously take the attention off their poor flying ability. When stuff goes really wrong they inevitably have one or all of typical age old excuses and it’s never their fault and they never take responsibility or ownership for their lack o skill.
These guys are not the typical rusty pilot who wants to brush up and get better. The pro bunky has perfected the bare minimum, acceptable standard, just skimming by lifestyle.
05-09-2018, 09:53 AM
#56
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You can say all you want but in the end, they didn't cross. That's pretty much all that needs to be said.
05-09-2018, 11:07 AM
#58
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05-09-2018, 01:13 PM
#59
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Wow. UFB how such a positive thread - new vacancies - has turned into something very ugly. I've been guilty of the same sweeping indictments, but you guys are taking this to another level.
For background, I'm a 2000 hire; a twice furloughed dirtbag.
I remember sitting in a bathroom stall in the LAXFO back in mid-2001 and reading an unflattering comment about the 570. I've flown with more than a few 570 and I can't think of a single 570 pilot that I've had any issues with. I know more than a few 570s that I've flown with and they've all been consummate professionals. I've talked to them on layovers and I don't have any issues with the way that they handled themselves in '85. None of them crossed the picket line and I doubt that many were even viewing that as a viable option.
As for the Bunkie thing, I'm usually WB reserve due to my juniority. I fly Bunkie a lot. I can't think of a single fellow Bunkie that I'd classify the way that has been portrayed on this thread. ... maybe I'm that Bunkie? I hope not. I try to make sure I remain engaged and do my job. I haven't noticed anyone like has been mentioned upthread.
We can focus on the 2%ers; every airline/company has them. And they're pretty well known. However, I'd prefer to think of them as an anomaly and not deserving of an extended discussion.
This is a great time to be a United pilot; to paraphrase a Captain I flew with not too long ago ... this is the best we've seen it as pilots in more than 30 years.
Good luck to all; I hope everyone got the BES they wanted on this latest bid. If not, there will be more great bids to follow.
For background, I'm a 2000 hire; a twice furloughed dirtbag.
I remember sitting in a bathroom stall in the LAXFO back in mid-2001 and reading an unflattering comment about the 570. I've flown with more than a few 570 and I can't think of a single 570 pilot that I've had any issues with. I know more than a few 570s that I've flown with and they've all been consummate professionals. I've talked to them on layovers and I don't have any issues with the way that they handled themselves in '85. None of them crossed the picket line and I doubt that many were even viewing that as a viable option.
As for the Bunkie thing, I'm usually WB reserve due to my juniority. I fly Bunkie a lot. I can't think of a single fellow Bunkie that I'd classify the way that has been portrayed on this thread. ... maybe I'm that Bunkie? I hope not. I try to make sure I remain engaged and do my job. I haven't noticed anyone like has been mentioned upthread.
We can focus on the 2%ers; every airline/company has them. And they're pretty well known. However, I'd prefer to think of them as an anomaly and not deserving of an extended discussion.
This is a great time to be a United pilot; to paraphrase a Captain I flew with not too long ago ... this is the best we've seen it as pilots in more than 30 years.
Good luck to all; I hope everyone got the BES they wanted on this latest bid. If not, there will be more great bids to follow.
05-09-2018, 01:34 PM
#60
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Joined APC: Nov 2009
Posts: 5,266
Wow. UFB how such a positive thread - new vacancies - has turned into something very ugly. I've been guilty of the same sweeping indictments, but you guys are taking this to another level.
For background, I'm a 2000 hire; a twice furloughed dirtbag.
I remember sitting in a bathroom stall in the LAXFO back in mid-2001 and reading an unflattering comment about the 570. I've flown with more than a few 570 and I can't think of a single 570 pilot that I've had any issues with. I know more than a few 570s that I've flown with and they've all been consummate professionals. I've talked to them on layovers and I don't have any issues with the way that they handled themselves in '85. None of them crossed the picket line and I doubt that many were even viewing that as a viable option.
As for the Bunkie thing, I'm usually WB reserve due to my juniority. I fly Bunkie a lot. I can't think of a single fellow Bunkie that I'd classify the way that has been portrayed on this thread. ... maybe I'm that Bunkie? I hope not. I try to make sure I remain engaged and do my job. I haven't noticed anyone like has been mentioned upthread.
We can focus on the 2%ers; every airline/company has them. And they're pretty well known. However, I'd prefer to think of them as an anomaly and not deserving of an extended discussion.
This is a great time to be a United pilot; to paraphrase a Captain I flew with not too long ago ... this is the best we've seen it as pilots in more than 30 years.
Good luck to all; I hope everyone got the BES they wanted on this latest bid. If not, there will be more great bids to follow.
For background, I'm a 2000 hire; a twice furloughed dirtbag.
I remember sitting in a bathroom stall in the LAXFO back in mid-2001 and reading an unflattering comment about the 570. I've flown with more than a few 570 and I can't think of a single 570 pilot that I've had any issues with. I know more than a few 570s that I've flown with and they've all been consummate professionals. I've talked to them on layovers and I don't have any issues with the way that they handled themselves in '85. None of them crossed the picket line and I doubt that many were even viewing that as a viable option.
As for the Bunkie thing, I'm usually WB reserve due to my juniority. I fly Bunkie a lot. I can't think of a single fellow Bunkie that I'd classify the way that has been portrayed on this thread. ... maybe I'm that Bunkie? I hope not. I try to make sure I remain engaged and do my job. I haven't noticed anyone like has been mentioned upthread.
We can focus on the 2%ers; every airline/company has them. And they're pretty well known. However, I'd prefer to think of them as an anomaly and not deserving of an extended discussion.
This is a great time to be a United pilot; to paraphrase a Captain I flew with not too long ago ... this is the best we've seen it as pilots in more than 30 years.
Good luck to all; I hope everyone got the BES they wanted on this latest bid. If not, there will be more great bids to follow.
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